Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted September 30, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 30, 2019 ANd do you know funky troubleshooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted September 30, 2019 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 30, 2019 wouldn't have done anything . Fake voltage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Woodtick Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 16 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: wouldn't have done anything . Fake voltage. Reading ghost voltage to ground? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Kivalo Posted September 30, 2019 Gold Member Share Posted September 30, 2019 If you stick a fork into an outlet youcan learn if said outlet has power or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted September 30, 2019 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Woodtick said: Reading ghost voltage to ground? Yes. Clock puts out 27.4 as it should. Wire in field is reading 25 v . Put to load and reads 0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted September 30, 2019 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just don't quite understand ghost voltage . That's kinda what I was looking for. An explanation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodtick Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: Yes. Clock puts out 27.4 as it should. Wire in field is reading 25 v . Put to load and reads 0. Paragon time clock with contacts or electronic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted September 30, 2019 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, Woodtick said: Paragon time clock with contacts or electronic? Electronic , holds voltage at clock with load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodtick Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 You basically have the voltage but it won’t hold any current. The contact is bad. It’s basically like a bad or loose connection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted September 30, 2019 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, Woodtick said: You basically have the voltage but it won’t hold any current. The contact is bad. It’s basically like a bad or loose connection. I know after fucking with it the wire is toast. I guess I just don't understand how a toast wire can carry fake current. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, steve from amherst said: I know after fucking with it the wire is toast. I guess I just don't understand how a toast wire can carry fake current. If its a bad wire/contact it's not transient voltage. That's two different things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodtick Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, steve from amherst said: I know after fucking with it the wire is toast. I guess I just don't understand how a toast wire can carry fake current. The wire is cut or smashed somewhere. The heat of the current opens it up completely when there is a load. When there isn’t a load on it,you will or can read voltage. A ohm test or megging it can help determine the condition of the wire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodtick Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: I know after fucking with it the wire is toast. I guess I just don't understand how a toast wire can carry fake current. It’s showing voltage,but won’t hold current. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted October 1, 2019 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, Woodtick said: The wire is cut or smashed somewhere. The heat of the current opens it up completely when there is a load. When there isn’t a load on it,you will or can read voltage. A ohm test or megging it can help determine the condition of the wire. Thing was kicking my ass. I even traced the wire and couldn't find a break. Replacing will suck hard as it runs a ways and drops over 4 plateu's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted October 1, 2019 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, Woodtick said: It’s showing voltage,but won’t hold current. yep. Just something I have never run into before. I have seen 10 v and found bad common ( neutral ) or field wire . Just have never seen operating v and then nothing. How common is it in other trades? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Woodtick said: The wire is cut or smashed somewhere. The heat of the current opens it up completely when there is a load. When there isn’t a load on it,you will or can read voltage. A ohm test or megging it can help determine the condition of the wire. Bad solder joints reek Havok on measurements. Good thing we put Farrell's on all our panel wiring ends to prevent beta connections in terminal blocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodtick Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, steve from amherst said: Thing was kicking my ass. I even traced the wire and couldn't find a break. Replacing will suck hard as it runs a ways and drops over 4 plateu's Just now, steve from amherst said: yep. Just something I have never run into before. I have seen 10 v and found bad common ( neutral ) or field wire . Just have never seen operating v and then nothing. How common is it in other trades? I do HVAC and it happens all of the time with low voltage. Higher voltage will blow the bad section of wire apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted October 1, 2019 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, Woodtick said: I do HVAC and it happens all of the time with low voltage. Higher voltage will blow the bad section of wire apart. Thank you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodtick Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, ArcticCrusher said: Bad solder joints reek Havok on measurements. Good thing we put Farrell's on all our panel wiring ends to prevent beta connections in terminal blocks. Long 18 or 22 gage wire runs can also be a problem with voltage drop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManOnManOral Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Bad solder joints reek Havok on measurements. Good thing we put Farrell's on all our panel wiring ends to prevent beta connections in terminal blocks. Ferrules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Woodtick said: Long 18 or 22 gage wire runs can also be a problem with voltage drop. Lots of mV signals T/C's, load cells, 500' max but preferr much closer. Modern offerings make that a breeze. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, ManOnManOral said: Ferrules Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted October 1, 2019 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Woodtick said: Long 18 or 22 gage wire runs can also be a problem with voltage drop. Ours is 18. I believe around 880 ft is our max. We can bring it to a little over 1000 by doubling the neutral. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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