AKIQPilot Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 1 minute ago, DAVE said: Jesus thats like those 174 holes we would come across by mistake...fak me. Hahaha. Yep. A 165 just barely cuts it on days like this. The rider above is the wife of a very good friend. She barely breaks 100lbs and she can ride as good as any of the guys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 59 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said: Hahaha. Yep. A 165 just barely cuts it on days like this. The rider above is the wife of a very good friend. She barely breaks 100lbs and she can ride as good as any of the guys. That’s cool. Matching suit and all. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 44 minutes ago, Edmo said: That’s cool. Matching suit and all. 👍 She is a complete bad ass and gorgeous. I wont post any pictures of her but if you Facebook......... hahahaha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roosting Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 My belt gets pretty hot when maintaining a 80 mph+ speed. I dont think it's a clutch calibration thing. I get a lot of belt wear on the primary faces and to me that is alignment. hell if it saves one belt it almost pays for it's self. These 850's like to destroy things when a belt goes boom. do you know what the spring rate is on this kit? It's 3/4 inch preload but what does this convert into in lb's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Roosting said: My belt gets pretty hot when maintaining a 80 mph+ speed. I dont think it's a clutch calibration thing. I get a lot of belt wear on the primary faces and to me that is alignment. hell if it saves one belt it almost pays for it's self. These 850's like to destroy things when a belt goes boom. do you know what the spring rate is on this kit? It's 3/4 inch preload but what does this convert into in lb's Etec? It worthless to start messing with components if you have an alignment issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roosting Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 2 hours ago, f7ben said: Etec? It worthless to start messing with components if you have an alignment issue Huh? clutch issue not engine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Just now, Roosting said: Huh? clutch issue not engine Yes....dont start fucking with springs and preload etc etc until you make sure its aligned properly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, Roosting said: My belt gets pretty hot when maintaining a 80 mph+ speed. I dont think it's a clutch calibration thing. I get a lot of belt wear on the primary faces and to me that is alignment. hell if it saves one belt it almost pays for it's self. These 850's like to destroy things when a belt goes boom. do you know what the spring rate is on this kit? It's 3/4 inch preload but what does this convert into in lb's I don't know what 3/4" translates in spring rate. You might give the guys at Grip and Rip a call and see if they can answer that question. 1 minute ago, f7ben said: Yes....dont start fucking with springs and preload etc etc until you make sure its aligned properly He is talking about the spring rate on the clutch alignment tool. You Ding dong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roosting Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 yes. That's what I was kinda thinking. Calibration is very close. Fine tuning only but no point if it just eat's belts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Roosting said: yes. That's what I was kinda thinking. Calibration is very close. Fine tuning only but no point if it just eat's belts. You're in Winnipeg right. Surely someone around there has one of the Grip n Rip alignment tools for a G4. Even if you paid them $100 to borrow it for a day it would be well worth it. Maybe your dealer has one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roosting Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 not sure if they would offer up that info or not. If you had one you could press it on a scale to find out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roosting Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 just found out about this thing. I know 4-5 people with 850's not sure if they got one or not. Got to make a couple of calls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said: I don't know what 3/4" translates in spring rate. You might give the guys at Grip and Rip a call and see if they can answer that question. He is talking about the spring rate on the clutch alignment tool. You Ding dong. Dude....the 850s have shit engine alignment and the ones eating belts and leaving black marks on clutches may be poorly aligned. This has been discussed here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Just now, Roosting said: not sure if they would offer up that info or not. If you had one you could press it on a scale to find out I don't have one. The spring is built into the tool. The tool would have to be disassembled to measure the spring rate. Maybe a fish scale could work. you would have to pull the ends of the tool apart to get the spring rate, not compress it on a bathroom scale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 1 minute ago, f7ben said: Dude....the 850s have shit engine alignment and the ones eating belts and leaving black marks on clutches may be poorly aligned. This has been discussed here. Dude. We know this. That is what 1/2 of this thread is about. Why were you trying to interject clutch calibration BS in this alignment discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Roosting said: just found out about this thing. I know 4-5 people with 850's not sure if they got one or not. Got to make a couple of calls You could split the cost and share the tool with the group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 1 minute ago, AKIQPilot said: Dude. We know this. That is what 1/2 of this thread is about. Why were you trying to interject clutch calibration BS in this alignment discussion. Haha....I just glanced over his post and saw spring preload and assumed he was fucking with the secondary I'm not familiar with the tool he is trying to use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 http://www.gripnripracing.com/index.php?id_product=262&controller=product Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 1 minute ago, f7ben said: Haha....I just glanced over his post and saw spring preload and assumed he was fucking with the secondary I'm not familiar with the tool he is trying to use It's a neat little tool that the GnR guys came up with that preloads the primary and secondary to simulate the alignment under hard acceleration. You set secondary deflection and motor mount alignment with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said: It's a neat little tool that the GnR guys came up with that preloads the primary and secondary to simulate the alignment under hard acceleration. You set secondary deflection and motor mount alignment with it. I'm not a fan of misaligning clutches. I'd prefer to get very close to neutral and then use solid mounts and snubbers or torque stops etc. As soon as I can order one of the stm alignment tools I will. They are legit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 1 minute ago, f7ben said: I'm not a fan of misaligning clutches. I'd prefer to get very close to neutral and then use solid mounts and snubbers or torque stops etc. As soon as I can order one of the stm alignment tools I will. They are legit... This tool has made a huge difference for the mountain guys. Many Doo riders were getting less than 40 miles on belts in the mashed potato snow. Once aligned with this tool the belts are still going strong after hundreds of miles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roosting Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Just looked at the STM tool. Same concept but they dont preload the clutches. Preloading is the only way to ensure under load alignment using the stock engine mounts. If you want to put solid mounts in then preloading is not needed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, Roosting said: Just looked at the STM tool. Same concept but they dont preload the clutches. Preloading is the only way to ensure under load alignment using the stock engine mounts. If you want to put solid mounts in then preloading is not needed. On my big triple I used a secondary brace and additional torque stop and aligned as close to neutral as I could with the tools I had. On the turbo I installed the STM engine plate and as soon as I get my hands on a proper tool I'll shim the motor close to neutral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Roosting said: not sure if they would offer up that info or not. If you had one you could press it on a scale to find out i dont tbink you understand what the grip and rip tool is and how it works . the tool pulls the clutches together like the motor is under load . a scale and a spring would not help you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted December 28, 2018 Author Share Posted December 28, 2018 (edited) Frickin turbo Barney can be such a cheap reliable power house Edited December 28, 2018 by Rod Johnson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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