f7ben Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 minute ago, DAVE said: Z1t or z1? Z1 turbo....he had a speedwerx 4 stage on it before. It never ran right. Talked him into putting everything back to stock and going with the d&d flash. Sled is an animal now. It will throw an octane code with any more weight in the primary than stock or even too much helix. It needs to rev out quick and well past 8k or it's too octane sensitive. That how they get away with running 18lbs of boost on pump gas. Light clutching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, f7ben said: Z1 turbo....he had a speedwerx 4 stage on it before. It never ran right. Talked him into putting everything back to stock and going with the d&d flash. Sled is an animal now. It will throw an octane code with any more weight in the primary than stock or even too much helix. It needs to rev out quick and well past 8k or it's too octane sensitive. That how they get away with running 18lbs of boost on pump gas. Light clutching Youre starting to sound like gs now...read what you just said the last few posts.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, f7ben said: Z1 turbo....he had a speedwerx 4 stage on it before. It never ran right. Talked him into putting everything back to stock and going with the d&d flash. Sled is an animal now. It will throw an octane code with any more weight in the primary than stock or even too much helix. It needs to rev out quick and well past 8k or it's too octane sensitive. That how they get away with running 18lbs of boost on pump gas. Light clutching Yes. Same scam that TD did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Just now, DAVE said: Youre starting to sound like gs now...read what you just said the last few posts.... How about you highlight what it is you have issue with....I'm not following Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roosting Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 we are going to sell you some more power BUT WAIT you cant use it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Just now, Rod Johnson said: Yes. Same scam that TD did It works well for what it is. If you want the fastest setup possible good gas and heavy clutching will be quicker boost for boost but you are risking detonation loading it hard down low Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Just now, f7ben said: How about you highlight what it is you have issue with....I'm not following Well you didnt mention he had a shitty set up before....you just said his sled was slow. Unless i missed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Roosting said: we are going to sell you some more power BUT WAIT you cant use it Yup that’s exactly what it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Just now, Rod Johnson said: Yup that’s exactly what it is It use to be the same with atvs....were a smarter bunch though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 minute ago, DAVE said: It use to be the same with atvs....were a smarter bunch though. I can understand why they do it. Most people are totally clueless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roosting Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 makes 40% more power at engagement................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 17 minutes ago, DAVE said: Well you didnt mention he had a shitty set up before....you just said his sled was slow. Unless i missed it. His shitty setup before was still faster than a stock z1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, Roosting said: makes 40% more power at engagement................. No...it makes excellent peak power. They have to limit torque through the lower rpms and let it rev up high. Take a ride on a stock turbo cat and the ride one with just a slingshot flash added. It feels like an additional 100hp because it is an additional 100 hp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, f7ben said: His shitty setup before was still faster than a stock z1 Your poo 800 is faster then a stock z1t? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roosting Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 sounds like a bandaid upgrade to me. But faster is faster just not sure I like the way it's being done. IMO (this is regarding pump gas upgrade) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 39 minutes ago, f7ben said: It's not even my sled. I just helped him with it. He was middle of the pack. My stock Polaris 800 used to spank him. Now he destroys my 1004 and cfr1000 Nothing more than a tune and stock clutching. It is damn impressive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Rod Johnson said: Ben is so hurt lol Not as hurt as you gotta be. Zoiks! Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, DAVE said: Your poo 800 is faster then a stock z1t? Was faster....yes. would murder it in 1000' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 I dont think I ever lost a race on that Polaris. It was so fucking quick out of the hole. In my group are 3 crossfire 1000 , f7 , cfr800 , apex , gade 850 and the z1 Polaris ate all their lunch time after time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 25 minutes ago, Roosting said: sounds like a bandaid upgrade to me. But faster is faster just not sure I like the way it's being done. IMO (this is regarding pump gas upgrade) It's just a tuning strategy. The results speak for themselves. There is speed left on the table no doubt but when you are talking about 275hp trail sleds squeezing every last drop out only matters on the timers. They destroy stock sleds so bad it's not even funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, f7ben said: It's just a tuning strategy. The results speak for themselves. There is speed left on the table no doubt but when you are talking about 275hp trail sleds squeezing every last drop out only matters on the timers. They destroy stock sleds so bad it's not even funny I still lol at people thinking they’re getting 275 hp on pump gas lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Rod Johnson said: I still lol at people thinking they’re getting 275 hp on pump gas lol It might be 260 or it might be 280. The damn thing is making 18.5 psi of boost or so. That is 250+ even on a conservative dyno and it runs like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Just now, f7ben said: It might be 260 or it might be 280. The damn thing is making 18.5 psi of boost or so. That is 250+ even on a conservative dyno and it runs like it Or like 220 in the real world 260-280 would make it beat a 1000 improver. But in reality they’ll run with ISR stock 800’s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rod Johnson said: Or like 220 in the real world 260-280 would make it beat a 1000 improver. But in reality they’ll run with ISR stock 800’s It's a matter of weight. A full weight z1 is a chore to get off the line. Take one out making 18lbs boost and run it from 80-125 though and it will give you a boner. They are making the power....its just too much weight for short races Set that ISR 800 up for a 2000' race a d it gets beaten by a lot of sled lengths Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 minute ago, f7ben said: It's a matter of weight. A full weight z1 is a chore to get off the line. Take one out making 18lbs boost and run it from 80-125 though and it will give you a boner. They are making the power....its just too much weight for short races Set that ISR 800 up for a 2000' race a d it gets beaten by a lot of sled lengths Man I’ve played with those sleds a lot in different forms. You’re not getting an honest 270 hp out of it on pump gas. Not even close. But yes a pump gas tune and good clutching and they’re a different animal over Stock. Stock they’re slow. But you can gain 40-50 hp over Stock on pump gas and that’s a lot and that’s what you’re feeling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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