ActionfigureJoe Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) Pay $13 billion in social security Pay $12 billion in local and state taxes $23 billion to the IRS $9 billion in Medicare/payroll Money they will never get to use. Thats billions and billions https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2018/4/13/17229018/undocumented-immigrants-pay-taxes Edited September 12, 2018 by ActionfigureJoe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 What’s their liability costs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Oh...”undocumented”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 45 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Pay $13 billion in social security Pay $12 billion in local and state taxes $23 billion to the IRS $9 billion in Medicare/payroll Money they will never get to use. Thats billions and billions https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2018/4/13/17229018/undocumented-immigrants-pay-taxes so how are they paying theses taxes if they are undocumented? stealing identity is a felony . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted September 12, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 12, 2018 $13 billion into SS ? That's $1000 for each and every one of them. IM not buying it. Seeing about 1/2 work for cash. That would mean the other 1/2 are paying $2k into it. Yet the average American only pays $1600 into it. Nope , not buying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted September 12, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 12, 2018 Social Security and Medicare Withholding Rates. The current tax rate for social security is 6.2% for the employer and 6.2% for the employee, or 12.4% total. The current rate for Medicare is 1.45% for the employer and 1.45% for the employee So the medicare # is less then 25% of the SS number . If this was true the med # would be $3.5 bill not 9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Another article designed to deceive and brought to this site by someone who really should know better. But, Instead, the guy just perpetuates the problem rather than come up with a solution. Good job asshole. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 12, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 12, 2018 12 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Pay $13 billion in social security Pay $12 billion in local and state taxes $23 billion to the IRS $9 billion in Medicare/payroll Money they will never get to use. Thats billions and billions https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2018/4/13/17229018/undocumented-immigrants-pay-taxes From the article. Jesus you guys are gullible. Left leaning "think tank" making estimates which suggest about half. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/institute-on-taxation-and-economic-policy-itep/ The best estimates come from research by the Institute of Taxation and Economic Policy, a Washington, DC, think tank, which suggests that about half of undocumented workers in the United States file income tax returns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamgreen02 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 13 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Money they will never get to use. Neither will I so lets abandon this disaster. If I could put another 12.4% in my 401K and 2.9% in my HSA I'd be retired by 40. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 13 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Pay $13 billion in social security Pay $12 billion in local and state taxes $23 billion to the IRS $9 billion in Medicare/payroll Money they will never get to use. Thats billions and billions https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2018/4/13/17229018/undocumented-immigrants-pay-taxes Fuck it, it's only money for the treasury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 12, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 12, 2018 So some studies show illegal immigration cost the US about $135 billion a year. Sounds like we are still way in the hole. https://fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Hmmm....but what's the fiscal burden of illegals? Meh.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Just now, Highmark said: So some studies show illegal immigration cost the US about $135 billion a year. Sounds like we are still way in the hole. https://fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers FINALLY. I've also read it's much higher than that when totaled for all adverse affects to the economy and fragile social system. "but they paid in a few bucks!!!! It's a win!!!!!!!!!!" Unreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 12, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Zambroski said: FINALLY. I've also read it's much higher than that when totaled for all adverse affects to the economy and fragile social system. "but they paid in a few bucks!!!! It's a win!!!!!!!!!!" Unreal. Yep. I've seen as high as $300 billion but meh they pay a few billion in taxes. Another hilarious part of the article. Their numbers include LEGAL immigrants. They don't even estimate how many illegals are part of those numbers. The most recent IRS data, from 2015, shows that the agency received 4.4 million income tax returns from workers who don’t have Social Security numbers, which includes a large number of undocumented immigrants. That year, they paid $23.6 billion in income taxes. Edited September 12, 2018 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganMarcus Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 I do not for one minute buy into the premise that illegal aliens pay more into the system then they cost. |But, lets assume they do. They are still illegal. We have laws regarding how and when a person may enter, stay and work here. When we fail to uphold these laws we have created a new class of resident. this benefits nobody and places the nation at risk. Any politician saying they want to protect these people is not being honest. They are simply using the issue as a political wedge. When was the last time we saw a bill being presented in the house to open our borders and allow anyone that want s to enter in. Never is when. Immigration is great, it built our nation and continues to support its progress today. Legal immigration that is, not a massive flow of people simply walking in without permission. The border must be secure if we want a nation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 So make them legal. Problem solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Nazipigdog said: So make them legal. Problem solved. do it the correct way.. problem solved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Nazipigdog said: So make them legal. Problem solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganMarcus Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Nazipigdog said: So make them legal. Problem solved. Sorry but that is the same as an open border. Walk in and become legal by default is not a border at all. The only solution is to seal the border, document all that are now here, remove those that have a felony, document and give status to those without, providing a path to citizenship for them with the same rules as any other that has been granted permission via a green card. We do have the resources to do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 minute ago, MichiganMarcus said: Sorry but that is the same as an open border. Walk in and become legal by default is not a border at all. The only solution is to seal the border, document all that are now here, remove those that have a felony, document and give status to those without, providing a path to citizenship for them with the same rules as any other that has been granted permission via a green card. We do have the resources to do this. Not really. If they are here and working then they are not a burden and are actually contributing. Give them a social security #. If they dont have any criminal history make them citizens. Not rocket science. Will be easier to out the bad ones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganMarcus Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, Nazipigdog said: Not really. If they are here and working then they are not a burden and are actually contributing. Give them a social security #. If they dont have any criminal history make them citizens. Not rocket science. Will be easier to out the bad ones. Is that not what I said. You cannot make them citizens right away. With no clear way to know exactly how long they have been here it is unfair to those legal and waiting the five years to apply for full citizenship. They must start from the beginning, first being permanent resident aliens and then after the five years becoming citizens if they desire to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 minute ago, MichiganMarcus said: Is that not what I said. You cannot make them citizens right away. With no clear way to know exactly how long they have been here it is unfair to those legal and waiting the five years to apply for full citizenship. They must start from the beginning, first being permanent resident aliens and then after the five years becoming citizens if they desire to. I don't know what you said tbh but they can easily streamline this process. Bout 75% of my workforce is Hispanic and they are great people. Hard working, family oriented, very religious, and mostly very happy people. I don't want to see them all get labeled as criminals. A thorough back ground check, finger print and get them on their way to citizenship. If they are not afraid to come forward then the bad ones will be easier to get rid of. And everyone would support that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganMarcus Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Nazipigdog said: I don't know what you said tbh but they can easily streamline this process. Bout 75% of my workforce is Hispanic and they are great people. Hard working, family oriented, very religious, and mostly very happy people. I don't want to see them all get labeled as criminals. A thorough back ground check, finger print and get them on their way to citizenship. If they are not afraid to come forward then the bad ones will be easier to get rid of. And everyone would support that. Well you quoted me, so I assumed you read it. Anyhow, it would seem we agree. Is 75% of your workforce illegal, because we are not discussing legal immigrants that just so happen to be from latin america. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted September 12, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, Nazipigdog said: I don't know what you said tbh but they can easily streamline this process. Bout 75% of my workforce is Hispanic and they are great people. Hard working, family oriented, very religious, and mostly very happy people. I don't want to see them all get labeled as criminals. A thorough back ground check, finger print and get them on their way to citizenship. If they are not afraid to come forward then the bad ones will be easier to get rid of. And everyone would support that. Agree 100%...this whole deport them all narrative is not only nonsense but it’s undoable as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganMarcus Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Just now, Jimmy Snacks said: Agree 100%...this whole deport them all narrative is not only nonsense but it’s undoable as well. It is stupid to think we could deport so many. Doing so would create chaos. However we do need to deport any that have committed a felony. This includes any that are here legally that have committed a felony. when a person enters legally they do so with the understanding that they will not be involved in any criminal activity. The contract to live work and get on a path to citizenship makes this clear. We can forgive those that came illegally, and give them a chance, but if we do so, the border must first be sealed as best as we can do so. that would include a wall with staff to monitor it. We can afford to do it, and it could easily be done, all of this that is, if the idiots in washington could use logic instead of using the issue to divide our nation. Trump played the political game with it, creating a further divide and shutting down a rational discussion on the issue. The dems have done the same. Any sane intelligent person could understand that we cannot round up and boot out millions of people, the majority of which are productive honest people. The answer is easy, seal the border and help those already here that are not criminal to become citizens, then rid ourselves of any immigrant from any country, that commits a felony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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