Mileage Psycho Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 While I'm not surprised by the report I am surprised the Admin let fly. Quote Trump-released gov't report: Climate change mostly human-caused The Trump administration released a dire scientific report Friday calling human activity the dominant driver of global warming, a conclusion at odds with White House decisions to withdraw from a key international climate accord, champion fossil fuels and reverse Obama-era climate policies. To the surprise of some scientists, the White House did not seek to prevent the release of the government’s National Climate Assessment, which is mandated by law. The report affirms that climate change is driven almost entirely by human action, warns of potential sea-level rise as high as eight feet by the year 2100, and details climate-related damage across the United States that is already unfolding as a result of 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit of global warming since 1900. “It is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century,” the document reports. “For the warming over the last century, there is no convincing alternative explanation supported by the extent of the observational evidence.” The report’s release underscores the extent to which the machinery of the federal scientific establishment, operating in multiple agencies across the government, continues to grind on even as top administration officials have minimized or disparaged its findings. Federal scientists have continued to author papers and issue reports on climate change, for example, even as political appointees have altered the wording of news releases or blocked civil servants from speaking about their conclusions in public forums. The climate assessment process is dictated by a 1990 law that Democratic and Republican administrations have followed. The White House on Friday sought to downplay the significance of the study and its findings. “The climate has changed and is always changing. As the Climate Science Special Report states, the magnitude of future climate change depends significantly on ‘remaining uncertainty in the sensitivity of Earth’s climate to [greenhouse gas] emissions,'” White House spokesman Raj Shah said in a statement. “In the United States, energy related carbon dioxide emissions have been declining, are expected to remain flat through 2040, and will also continue to decline as a share of world emissions.” Shah added that the Trump administration “supports rigorous scientific analysis and debate.” He said it will continue to “promote access to the affordable and reliable energy needed to grow economically” and to back advancements that improve infrastructure and ultimately reduce emissions. Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt, Energy Secretary Rick Perry and President Trump have all questioned the extent of humans’ contribution to climate change. One of the EPA’s Web pages posted scientific conclusions similar to those in the new report until earlier this year, when Pruitt’s deputies ordered it removed. The report comes as Trump and members of his Cabinet are working to promote U.S. fossil-fuel production and repeal several federal rules aimed at curbing the nation’s carbon output, including ones limiting greenhouse-gas emissions from existing power plants, oil and gas operations on federal land and carbon emissions from cars and trucks. Trump has also announced he will exit the Paris climate agreement, under which the United States has pledged to cut its overall greenhouse-gas emissions between 26 percent and 28 percent compared with 2005 levels by 2025. The report could have considerable legal and policy significance, providing new and stronger support for the EPA’s greenhouse-gas “endangerment finding” under the Clean Air Act, which lays the foundation for regulations on emissions. “This is a federal government report whose contents completely undercut their policies, completely undercut the statements made by senior members of the administration,” said Phil Duffy, director of the Woods Hole Research Center. The government is required to produce the national assessment every four years. This time, the report is split into two documents, one that lays out the fundamental science of climate change and the other that shows how the United States is being affected on a regional basis. Combined, the two documents total over 2,000 pages. The first document, called the Climate Science Special Report, is now a finalized report, having been peer-reviewed by the National Academy of Sciences and vetted by experts across government agencies. It was formally unveiled Friday. “I think this report is basically the most comprehensive climate science report in the world right now,” said Robert Kopp, a climate scientist at Rutgers who is an expert on sea-level rise and served as one of the report’s lead authors. It affirms that the United States is already experiencing more extreme heat and rainfall events and more large wildfires in the West, that more than 25 coastal U.S. cities are already experiencing more flooding, and that seas could rise by between 1 and 4 feet by the year 2100, and perhaps even more than that if Antarctica proves to be unstable, as is feared. The report says that a rise of over eight feet is “physically possible” with high levels of greenhouse-gas emissions but that there’s no way right now to predict how likely it is to happen. When it comes to rapidly escalating levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, the report states, “there is no climate analog for this century at any time in at least the last 50 million years.” Most striking, perhaps, the report warns of the unpredictable — changes that scientists cannot foresee that could involve tipping points or fast changes in the climate system. These could switch the climate into “new states that are very different from those experienced in the recent past.” Some members of the scientific community had speculated that the administration might refuse to publish the report or might alter its conclusions. During the George W. Bush administration, a senior official at the White House Council on Environmental Quality edited aspects of some government science reports. Yet multiple experts, as well as some administration officials and federal scientists, said that Trump political appointees did not change the special report’s scientific conclusions. While some edits have been made to its final version — for instance, omitting or softening some references to the Paris climate agreement — those were focused on policy. “I’m quite confident to say there has been no political interference in the scientific messages from this report,” David Fahey, an atmospheric scientist with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and a lead author of the study, told reporters on Friday. “Whatever fears we had weren’t realized. … This report says what the scientists want it to say.” A senior administration official, who asked for anonymity because the process is still underway, said in an interview that top Trump officials decided to put out the assessment without changing the findings of its contributors even if some appointees may have different views. Glynis Lough, who is deputy director of the food and environment program at the Union of Concerned Scientists and had served as chief of staff for the National Climate Assessment at the U.S. Global Change Research Program until mid-2016, said in an interview that the changes made by government officials to the latest report “are consistent with the types of changes that were made in the previous administration for the 2014 National Climate Assessment, to avoid policy prescriptiveness.” Perhaps no agency under Trump has tried to downplay and undermine climate science more than the EPA. Most recently, political appointees at the EPA instructed two agency scientists and one contractor not to speak as planned at a scientific conference in Rhode Island. The conference marked the culmination of a three-year report on the status of Narragansett Bay, New England’s largest estuary, in which climate change featured prominently. The EPA also has altered parts of its website containing detailed climate data and scientific information. As part of that overhaul, in April the agency took down pages that had existed for years and contained a wealth of information on the scientific causes of global warming, its consequences and ways for communities to mitigate or adapt. The agency said that it was simply making changes to better reflect the new administration’s priorities and that any pages taken down would be archived. Pruitt has repeatedly advocated for the creation of a government-wide “red team/blue team” exercise, in which a group of outside critics would challenge the validity of mainstream scientific conclusions around climate change. Other departments have also removed climate-change documents online: The Interior Department’s Bureau of Land Management, for example, no longer provides access to documents assessing the danger that future warming poses to deserts in the Southwest. And when U.S. Geological Survey scientists working with international researchers published an article in the journal Nature evaluating how climate change and human population growth would affect where rain-fed agriculture could thrive, the USGS published a news release that omitted the words “climate change” altogether. The Agriculture Department’s climate hubs, however, remain freely available online. And researchers at the U.S. Forest Service have continued to publish papers this year on how climate change is affecting wildfires, wetlands and aquatic habitat across the country. The new climate science report is already coming under fire from some of the administration’s allies. The day before it was published, Steven Koonin, a New York University physicist who has met with Pruitt and advocated for the “red team/blue team” exercise, preemptively criticized the document in the Wall Street Journal, calling it “deceptive.” Koonin argued that the report “ominously notes that while global sea level rose an average 0.05 inch a year during most of the 20th century, it has risen at about twice that rate since 1993. But it fails to mention that the rate fluctuated by comparable amounts several times during the 20th century.” But one of the report’s authors suggested Koonin is creating a straw man. “The report does not state that the rate since 1993 is the fastest than during any comparable period since 1900 (though in my informal assessment it likely is), which is the non-statement Steve seems to be objecting to,” Kopp countered by email. Still, the line of criticism could be amplified by conservatives in the coming days. The administration also released, in draft form, Volume 2 of the National Climate Assessment, which looks at regional impacts across the United States. This document is now available for public comment and will begin a peer review process, with final publication expected in late 2018. Already, however, it is possible to discern some of what it will conclude. For instance, a peer-reviewed EPA technical document released to inform the assessment finds that the monetary costs of climate change in the United States could be dramatic. That document, dubbed the Climate Change Impacts and Risk Analysis, finds that high temperatures could lead to the loss per year of “almost 1.9 billion labor hours across the national workforce” by 2090. That would mean $160 billion annually in lost income to workers. With high levels of warming, coastal property damage in 2090 could total $120 billion annually, and deaths from temperature extremes could reach 9,300 per year, or in monetized terms, $140 billion annually in damage. Additional tens of billions annually could occur in the form of damage to roads, rail lines and electrical infrastructure, the report finds. This could all be lessened considerably, the report notes, if warming is held to lower levels. Jason Samenow contributed to this report. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-released-govt-report-climate-change-mostly-human-caused/ar-AAupvvD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Not that Vinny the silver spoon will change his life/ carbon footprint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 The climate has always changed. Wince fail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I wont . and still don't buy the Government report Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted November 3, 2017 Author Share Posted November 3, 2017 7 minutes ago, Sleepr2 said: Not that Vinny the silver spoon will change his life/ carbon footprint 3.0L twin turbo for a daily driver vs a less fuel efficient NA 3.6, C-Tec2 800 for my sled, nothing but the latest and greatest for me, I won't even get into my energy efficient home or state of the art HQ's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted November 3, 2017 Author Share Posted November 3, 2017 12 minutes ago, Sleepr2 said: Not that Vinny the silver spoon will change his life/ carbon footprint 2 minutes ago, Rod Johnson said: The climate has always changed. Wince fail 1 minute ago, Ez ryder said: I wont . and still don't buy the Government report Three peas in a pod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 so vin were you all in with the mine ice age government reports of the 80s . how about the government reports of the glaciers being gone by now in the 90s . how about the government reports about how the ozone layer would be gone by now we were all going to have to be living under uv safe umbrellas and it could never fix it self . we have been spoon fed this shit my whole life . but now this time they have it correct so we better get in line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 21 minutes ago, Ez ryder said: so vin were you all in with the mine ice age government reports of the 80s . how about the government reports of the glaciers being gone by now in the 90s . how about the government reports about how the ozone layer would be gone by now we were all going to have to be living under uv safe umbrellas and it could never fix it self . we have been spoon fed this shit my whole life . but now this time they have it correct so we better get in line If Al Gore told you the sky is blue and water is wet would you argue with him? I think it's wise to look at all evidence objectively and make rational conclusions and rational solutions and stop attacking the messenger. I am not all sold on the human impact on climate but I can tell you that continuing to recklessly pollute the earth will not end well for man kind. In a million years the earth will still be here but we may not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Just now, Arctic Cat Destroyer said: If Al Gore told you the sky is blue and water is wet would you argue with him? I think it's wise to look at all evidence objectively and make rational conclusions and rational solutions and stop attacking the messenger. I am not all sold on the human impact on climate but I can tell you that continuing to recklessly pollute the earth will not end well for man kind. In a million years the earth will still be here but we may not. I don't think any one is looking to live on the love canal . but I still don't buy the bullshit I have been around long enough to remember all the shit that they attempted to feed the masses . so far they are tossing snake eyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 40 minutes ago, Rod Johnson said: The climate has always changed. Wince fail That doesn't in any way discount the current happenings. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Just now, Ez ryder said: I don't think any one is looking to live on the love canal . but I still don't buy the bullshit I have been around long enough to remember all the shit that they attempted to feed the masses . so far they are tossing snake eyes Nobody has a crystal ball but I can tell you that when I was a kid growing up the one thing you could always count on was snow. Since the mid late nineties we have all noticed winters getting milder in the great lakes. Don't need to be a scientist to observe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 44 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said: 3.0L twin turbo for a daily driver vs a less fuel efficient NA 3.6, C-Tec2 800 for my sled, nothing but the latest and greatest for me, I won't even get into my energy efficient home or state of the art HQ's So that’s a no, you’re concerned about Globull warming but not enough to do anything about it on a personal level, typical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodtick Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Our in house climate expert should be here any minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, Sleepr2 said: So that’s a no, you’re concerned about Globull warming but not enough to do anything about it on a personal level, typical I've invested many man hours and about $10,000 in my near zero net emissions heating system. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodtick Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 14 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: I've invested many man hours and about $10,000 in my near zero net emissions heating system. Neal Post some specs please and thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I've invested about $3500 in my truck exhaust ripping out everything from the block back and tossing everything the G'ment mandated to the OEM's. YEAH...long tubes and some bitchin' sounding exhaust with massive torque baby!!!!!!!!!!!!! Getting a shitty 12.8 MPG to boot!!!! So, I'm gonna need all of you perverts to try a little harder to decrease your carbon footprint so I can be me. Well, I've made up for it with my home being the latest and greatest in efficiency so, ONE of you can cheat. Tomorrow only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodtick Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I got the Hemi in my new Jeep,because V6's are for Phaggits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 45 minutes ago, Arctic Cat Destroyer said: Nobody has a crystal ball but I can tell you that when I was a kid growing up the one thing you could always count on was snow. Since the mid late nineties we have all noticed winters getting milder in the great lakes. Don't need to be a scientist to observe. I also remember being a kid in the 70s and 80s and we always had sleds . I can vividly remember a few yrs when we could not ride sleds at the cabin for Christmas or new yrs .I can also remember some epic yrs in the last decade . in my life it has been pretty much 2 good yrs 3 ok to shit 2 more good back to ok or shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 17 minutes ago, Zambroski said: I've invested about $3500 in my truck exhaust ripping out everything from the block back and tossing everything the G'ment mandated to the OEM's. YEAH...long tubes and some bitchin' sounding exhaust with massive torque baby!!!!!!!!!!!!! Getting a shitty 12.8 MPG to boot!!!! So, I'm gonna need all of you perverts to try a little harder to decrease your carbon footprint so I can be me. Well, I've made up for it with my home being the latest and greatest in efficiency so, ONE of you can cheat. Tomorrow only. I am going to lift the cabin this year and dig out a basement and use ICF. so I should have a r20 value . add that to the uninsulated cabin above I am back at about r10 . just doing my part 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 25 minutes ago, Woodtick said: Post some specs please and thank you. 192,000 btu max. I grow my own fuel. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 so how much diesel was used . wow much of those killer pesticides flowed back in to our mother earth ? how do you keep the corn rats out of the burner box Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodtick Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 I'm just messing with you. I've debated on putting a corn/ pellet stove in my house. NG is still very cheap,so that is the hold up. You have a slick set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Mileage Psycho said: Three peas in a pod You deny the climate has always changed. You don't believe in science Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 48 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: I've invested many man hours and about $10,000 in my near zero net emissions heating system. Neal How much have Albore and all the other Globull alarmists changed their lifestyles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Woodtick said: I'm just messing with you. I've debated on putting a corn/ pellet stove in my house. NG is still very cheap,so that is the hold up. You have a slick set up. if I was on full time propane I would think about it . not worth it for the cabin. my aunt did geo in the city with like 20 well holes with pex loops . it has been pretty cheep for her to heat and cool . but the cost for install will never make up in her life time Edited November 4, 2017 by Ez ryder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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