The death of the internal combustion engine

[Cold War]

11 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said:

these conversations are no doubt like those who clung to their horse and buggy because the early cars were the work of the devil.   

 

Exactly like that. 

[Skidooski]

We are going to need to produce a lot more electricity. We already have rolling blackouts, brownouts whatever. Especially in the summer when electrical consumption is up from the heat..thanks global warming. Add in a shit ton more people trying to charge their cars and there's going to be big problems. 

[ICEMAN!]

6 minutes ago, Skidooski said:

We are going to need to produce a lot more electricity. We already have rolling blackouts, brownouts whatever. Especially in the summer when electrical consumption is up from the heat..thanks global warming. Add in a shit ton more people trying to charge their cars and there's going to be big problems. 

Is this your expert opinion?

 

[Skidooski]

Just now, ICEMAN! said:

Is this your expert opinion?

 

So where's all this extra electricity going to come from eh? Just plug into that magical outlet and BAM!!!! 

[ICEMAN!]

5 minutes ago, Skidooski said:

So where's all this extra electricity going to come from eh? Just plug into that magical outlet and BAM!!!! 

Stored off peak power

[Mileage Psycho]

24 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said:

these conversations are no doubt like those who clung to their horse and buggy because the early cars were the work of the devil.   

 

Fulton's Folly was a joke.

10 minutes ago, Skidooski said:

We are going to need to produce a lot more electricity. We already have rolling blackouts, brownouts whatever. Especially in the summer when electrical consumption is up from the heat..thanks global warming. Add in a shit ton more people trying to charge their cars and there's going to be big problems. 

There is plenty of generating and grid capacity in this country, add in the continuing advances in energy efficiency along with an increase of green generation tech and we don't have much to worry about.

[T1R9sledder]

6 minutes ago, Skidooski said:

So where's all this extra electricity going to come from eh? Just plug into that magical outlet and BAM!!!! 

Magna -coaster

[Skidooski]

5 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said:

There is plenty of generating and grid capacity in this country, add in the continuing advances in energy efficiency along with an increase of green generation tech and we don't have much to worry about.

With Coal being killed off and EV's picking up steam it just seems like there might be some issues somewhere. Deficiencies in the system 

[ICEMAN!]

1 minute ago, Skidooski said:

With Coal being killed off and EV's picking up steam it just seems like there might be some issues somewhere. Deficiencies in the system 

Most people will charge their cars in their garage at night when demand is low.  

This isn't that hard to figure out...

 

[snoughnut]

37 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said:

these conversations are no doubt like those who clung to their horse and buggy because the early cars were the work of the devil.   

 

You're the dumbass that said in a few years the IC engine will be a museum piece you'll be dead for a long time before that happens, if it ever happens.

[Skidooski]

Just now, ICEMAN! said:

Most people will charge their cars in their garage at night when demand is low.  

This isn't that hard to figure out...

 

How many cars are on the road now in the US? Swap the majority of those out to EV's and tell me there's not going to issues in our Electrical grid starting with the the production of electricity without coal. Canada has less people then Cali so maybe you'll be fine...we are a bit bigger then you  

Sounds like you have it all figured out though...just wave that magical wand of yours for a seemless transition from IC to EV and no issues.  

[ICEMAN!]

2 minutes ago, Skidooski said:

How many cars are on the road now in the US? Swap the majority of those out to EV's and tell me there's not going to issues in our Electrical grid starting with the the production of electricity without coal. Canada has less people then Cali so maybe you'll be fine...we are a bit bigger then you  

Sounds like you have it all figured out though...just wave that magical wand of yours for a seemless transition from IC to EV and no issues.  

The sky is falling!

 

[Skidooski]

5 minutes ago, snoughnut said:

You're the dumbass that said in a few years the IC engine will be a museum piece you'll be dead for a long time before that happens, if it ever happens.

Right now, France is the only one proposing eliminating the sale of gas a diesel engines and that's by 2040. That's still 23 years off for the first country and it's only a proposal at this point. AFJ spinfuckstick will be long gone before there's a majority switch over to EV's worldwide

[Skidooski]

Just now, ICEMAN! said:

The sky is falling!

 

Because I have speculation about this at this point? We are talking about some big changes here and you think it's just like flicking a switch.  

[ICEMAN!]

17 minutes ago, Skidooski said:

Because I have speculation about this at this point? We are talking about some big changes here and you think it's just like flicking a switch.  

It's the complete opposite of flipping a switch as the changes will be gradual over many years.  Coincidentally solar generation and other renewables and energy storage systems are coming on stream at the same time.

 

[Skidooski]

9 minutes ago, ICEMAN! said:

It's the complete opposite of flipping a switch as the changes will be gradual over many years.  Coincidentally solar generation and other renewables and energy storage systems are coming on stream at the same time.

 

Many years, a few years, the end is in sight....you all need to get your shit straight

[f7ben]

52 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said:

Fulton's Folly was a joke.

There is plenty of generating and grid capacity in this country, add in the continuing advances in energy efficiency along with an increase of green generation tech and we don't have much to worry about.

No there isnt plenty of grid capacity .....our grid is woefully equipped and in need of major upgrade actually. There are plenty of times during the summer where we shut the furnaces off because the power company says "no" ........during peak times if we switched on just our plant could black out the east coast. That is just one steel mill

[AKIQPilot]

2 hours ago, racer254 said:

Sure it is.  I just don't think it's something to brag about.

 

For a straight electric vehicle, a 250 mile range is very good.  It as only a few years ago that electric vehicles surpassed the 100 mile range mark.  As more people buy these cars the manufacturers will put more and more effort into making them better and more appealing.  Just like the evolution of the automobile, the EV will continue to get better and better and at a much faster pace than the IC automobile ever advanced.

The Internal Combustion engine is one of the least efficient contraptions man has ever devised.  50% of the energy in the fuel is turned into power/motion and the other 50% is turned into heat which is dissipated through the radiator and escapes out the exhaust pipe.  Modern electric motors are close to 95% efficient.  Virtually all of the fuel is turned into power/motion.  

 

[BOHICA]

56 minutes ago, ICEMAN! said:

Most people will charge their cars in their garage at night when demand is low.  

This isn't that hard to figure out...

 

More and more frequently utility companies are using off peak hours to perform their denergized maintenance.....  on a transmission level system.

for the first time in my career just a month ago I had to pull my crew off an energized job due to the utility not issuing a 1 shot cause if that line we were to work on relayed out they would have to dump a bunch of there customers.

the grid is running pretty tight and is pretty old.  And slapping up a new 500kv line is a 10-15 year process.  It's not quick by any means.

 

[Highmark]

3 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said:

For a straight electric vehicle, a 250 mile range is very good.  It as only a few years ago that electric vehicles surpassed the 100 mile range mark.  As more people buy these cars the manufacturers will put more and more effort into making them better and more appealing.  Just like the evolution of the automobile, the EV will continue to get better and better and at a much faster pace than the IC automobile ever advanced.

The Internal Combustion engine is one of the least efficient contraptions man has ever devised.  50% of the energy in the fuel is turned into power/motion and the other 50% is turned into heat which is dissipated through the radiator and escapes out the exhaust pipe.  Modern electric motors are close to 95% efficient.  Virtually all of the fuel is turned into power/motion.  

 

Yeah but they don't sound good.   

[racer254]

5 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Yeah but they don't sound good.   

  I did see a Telsa at the drags last night.  Definitely impressive. It was running in the sedan class and only got beat one time. 

Edited August 11, 2017 by racer254

[Mileage Psycho]

4 hours ago, Skidooski said:

How many cars are on the road now in the US? Swap the majority of those out to EV's and tell me there's not going to issues in our Electrical grid starting with the the production of electricity without coal. Canada has less people then Cali so maybe you'll be fine...we are a bit bigger then you  

Sounds like you have it all figured out though...just wave that magical wand of yours for a seemless transition from IC to EV and no issues.  

Here is a little history on electrical generation and distribution, and think about this Ford's electrically powered assembly line started rolling in 1913, only 17 years after Westinghouse's Niagara Plant went on line. We have obviously shown that we can increase generation and distribution as the country needs it.....IOW nothing to worry about.

 

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Westinghouse's Niagara Power Plant: AC Era

In 1886 the first commercial AC (alternating current) power system in the United States was built. This system was designed by G.Westinghouse, W.Stanley and O. Shallenberger. [3] The invention of AC induction motor (by N.Tesla) in 1888 and Tesla coil in 1891 allowed long-distance transmission of electricity. [4] Those inventions lead to construction of Westinghouse's Niagara Power Plant (1896) - the next milestone is the history of U.S. Electricity. The Power Plant had 37 MW power output, several hundreds times more powerful than Edison's Pear Station in 1882. Additionally, it had 25 miles transmission line at high-voltage (11,000 volts) to Buffalo city, ending era of DC. At 1896 the coal-plant efficiency slightly improved to 3.8% (93 kBTU/kWh). [2,5]

Electricity Is a Public Regulated Business: PUHCA (1935)

The invention of induction motor revolutionize all industries and lead to invention of power washing machine (1907), vacuum cleaners (1908) and household refrigerators (1912). All of these inventions led to a greater demand and helped to spread-out of electricity. [3] Thus, electricity became large industry with high impact on the whole country. The Public Utility Holding Company Act of 1935 (PUHCA) was passed by U.S. Congress to facilitate regulation of electric utilities, this law was in action till February, 2006. [6] What is the importance of PUHCA? It protects the financial health of public utilities that supply out electricity and retail natural gas, by doing following: (1) limit the geographic spread of utility holding companies; (2) control amount of debt, loans; (3) regulates cross-subsidies of unregulated business to regulated business (4) limit common ownership of both electric and natural gas. [7] Overall, it reduces concentration of economic power in just a few companies, and, thus, electricity became regulate business in the United States. For example, PUHCA does not allow Chevron or Exxon Mobil to control electricity unless they gave up they own petroleum business. By 1940 the efficiency of electricity generation improved to significant 17% (21 kBTU/kWh).

 

 

[Highmark]

3 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said:

Here is a little history on electrical generation and distribution, and think about this Ford's electrically powered assembly line started rolling in 1913, only 17 years after Westinghouse's Niagara Plant went on line. We have obviously shown that we can increase generation and distribution as the country needs it.....IOW nothing to worry about.

 

 

I agree the onset of EV's will not happen so quickly that increasing the capabilities of the electric grid fast enough being a problem.  Especially if coal isn't completely eliminated as a power source.  

 

 

[The Rocket]

4 hours ago, Mileage Psycho said:

Here is a little history on electrical generation and distribution, and think about this Ford's electrically powered assembly line started rolling in 1913, only 17 years after Westinghouse's Niagara Plant went on line. We have obviously shown that we can increase generation and distribution as the country needs it.....IOW nothing to worry about.

 

 

At the turn of the century Buffalo had more millionaires per capita than any US city. It was because of the cheap electrical power. Also the reason Buffalo had a large steel industry. 

Edited August 11, 2017 by The Rocket

[The Rocket]

4 hours ago, Highmark said:

I agree the onset of EV's will not happen so quickly that increasing the capabilities of the electric grid fast enough being a problem.  Especially if coal isn't completely eliminated as a power source.  

 

 

Stupid Liberals outlawed coal here. NG generation will be a big source of increased power.