Deephaven Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 19 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: I don't know what's worse, believing Biden got 81 million votes or if 81 million people actually did vote for the brain dead moron. What is worse is stating not 81, but being a chickenshit to actually pick a number. Basically then by default means you agree with the 81. Are you capable of backing up ANY of your talking points EVER? Or are you just too stupid? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 4 minutes ago, Highmark said: Immigration is tied to the debt issue. We spend hundreds of billions on illegals every year in HC, education, housing etc.... so is military and entitlement spending... something else the party is avoiding discussion of. billions... LOL, we're spending billions per day on the interest of our debt. where's the R messaging, it's just retribution and not accomplishing anything... A fuckin three ring circus that revolves around Trump. but yeah, fix the border as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 5 minutes ago, Highmark said: Immigration is tied to the debt issue. We spend hundreds of billions on illegals every year in HC, education, housing etc.... Hardly a drop in the bucket compared to the bigger financial problems. It is horribly stupid how we are dealing with it and the costs, but it is far from the driving factor of what is causing our debt problem. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 9 minutes ago, Deephaven said: What is worse is stating not 81, but being a chickenshit to actually pick a number. Basically then by default means you agree with the 81. Are you capable of backing up ANY of your talking points EVER? Or are you just too stupid? Dude, the insurrection didn't happen on J6, it happened on Nov 03. You're too stupid to figure it out. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 4 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Dude, the insurrection didn't happen on J6, it happened on Nov 03. You're too stupid to figure it out. Speaking of stupid, we are talking about 81m and you were proposing your number...nothing to do with J6... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted February 27 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 27 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: so is military and entitlement spending... something else the party is avoiding discussion of. billions... LOL, we're spending billions per day on the interest of our debt. where's the R messaging, it's just retribution and not accomplishing anything... A fuckin three ring circus that revolves around Trump. but yeah, fix the border as well Absolutely....cut everything federal 25% (not growth but actual) over the next 5-10 years. Some things can be almost completely chopped off. 15 minutes ago, Deephaven said: Hardly a drop in the bucket compared to the bigger financial problems. It is horribly stupid how we are dealing with it and the costs, but it is far from the driving factor of what is causing our debt problem. Its a significant contributing factor. As is stupidly spending billions on Ukraine and Israel. We are borrowing money to send to them when they can simply borrow it. The United States has thus far contributed $19.25 billion in budget support to enable the Government of Ukraine to pay salaries of first responders and government officials, meet pension obligations, and operate hospitals. https://www.state.gov/the-united-states-funds-economic-survey-of-ukraine-for-sustainable-recovery/#:~:text=The United States has thus,pension obligations%2C and operate hospitals. Edited February 27 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 15 minutes ago, Deephaven said: Speaking of stupid, we are talking about 81m and you were proposing your number...nothing to do with J6... If 81 million voted for this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Highmark said: Absolutely....cut everything federal 25% (not growth but actual) over the next 5-10 years. Some things can be almost completely chopped off. Its a significant contributing factor. As is stupidly spending billions on Ukraine and Israel. We are borrowing money to send to them when they can simply borrow it. The United States has thus far contributed $19.25 billion in budget support to enable the Government of Ukraine to pay salaries of first responders and government officials, meet pension obligations, and operate hospitals. https://www.state.gov/the-united-states-funds-economic-survey-of-ukraine-for-sustainable-recovery/#:~:text=The United States has thus,pension obligations%2C and operate hospitals. seriously, where's the Republican messaging and campaign promises on the debt and economy? as far as I'm concerned (especially for Congress) they need to get out front on it before they get steamrolled. pretending for a mere moment, let's say Trump wins but the D's capture both houses... he's a lame duck that will get challenged at every turn and likely impeached again. R's are gunna fuck it up unless they can get their shit together. Future generations aren't happy about the mess of debt the Boomers have stuck them with. Edited February 27 by Crnr2Crnr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted February 27 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 27 4 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: seriously, where's the Republican messaging and campaign promises on the debt and economy? as far as I'm concerned (especially for Congress) they need to get out front on it before they get steamrolled. pretending for a mere moment, let's say Trump wins but the D's capture both houses... he's a lame duck that will get challenged at every turn and likely impeached again. R's are gunna fuck it up unless they can get their shit together. Future generations aren't happy about the mess of debt the Boomers have stuck them with. So who do you support that you think will reign in spending? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 1 minute ago, Highmark said: So who do you support that you think will reign in spending? currently... here... no one tbh. it's going to take party leadership to develop a national messaging platform and willing participants to get on board. if you're seeing or hearing things regarding the matter lmk because all I'm hearing is retribution. Manchin and Romney were at least trying to drag the conversation into the national spotlight... https://www.manchin.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/manchin-romney-introduce-bipartisan-fiscal-stability-act#:~:text=The legislation would create a,was just ten years ago. https://www.romney.senate.gov/romney-manchin-applaud-house-action-on-creating-fiscal-commission/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted February 27 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 27 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: currently... here... no one tbh. it's going to take party leadership to develop a national messaging platform and willing participants to get on board. if you're seeing or hearing things regarding the matter lmk because all I'm hearing is retribution. Manchin and Romney were at least trying to drag the conversation into the national spotlight... https://www.manchin.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/manchin-romney-introduce-bipartisan-fiscal-stability-act#:~:text=The legislation would create a,was just ten years ago. https://www.romney.senate.gov/romney-manchin-applaud-house-action-on-creating-fiscal-commission/ Two guys who have been deeply part of the spending issue problem. Its real easy dude to talk about it....whole different thing getting it done because it can't be without shutting the govt down for a significant period of time. Without a supermajority in the Senate its futile. Edited February 27 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Highmark said: Two guys who have been deeply part of the spending issue problem. Its real easy dude to talk about it....whole different thing getting it done because it can't be without shutting the govt down for a significant period of time. admitting there's a problem, admitting guilt and discussing it with the American public is the first necessary step to addressing the problem. the cbo has been talking about for a very long time while Congress and the American public has largely ignored it as the mountain of debt has continuously grown. Kinda like having an alcoholics anonymous meeting with the American public. This is from 2007 Edited February 27 by Crnr2Crnr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted February 27 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 27 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: admitting there's a problem, admitting guilt and discussing it with the American public is the first necessary step to addressing the problem. the cbo has been talking about for a very long time while Congress and the American public has largely ignored it as the mountain of debt has continuously grown. Kinda like having an alcoholics anonymous meeting with the American public. This is from ELEVEN years ago Sadly the vast majority of American's could care less. As far as the CBO is concerned.... Not saying they are wrong on the debt but they have leaned left and been wrong on basically every program prediction they've ever made. I especially love their "projections" out ten years or more. Edited February 27 by Highmark 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 10 minutes ago, Highmark said: Sadly the vast majority of American's could care less. As far as the CBO is concerned.... Not saying they are wrong on the debt but they have leaned left and been wrong on basically every program prediction they've ever made. I especially love their "projections" out ten years or more. Walker was GAO... his predictions for the most part were spot on. Give it a watch if you have an opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 also fwiw @Highmark... when I go off on the boomers and the ineptitude of elected officials for the past three decades, it's precisely due to what David Walker was rationally discussing and the politicians from both parties ignored and didn't deal with when they should have. to this is day... it sticks in my craw knowing much of the fiscal shortfall we're looking at now could have been largely avoided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 2 hours ago, Highmark said: Absolutely....cut everything federal 25% (not growth but actual) over the next 5-10 years. Some things can be almost completely chopped off. Its a significant contributing factor. As is stupidly spending billions on Ukraine and Israel. We are borrowing money to send to them when they can simply borrow it. You claimed the border was the biggest problem, just clarifying it isn't the biggest. Fiscal bullshit is. Seems you agree. 2 hours ago, ArcticCrusher said: If 81 million voted for this. If not, pick a number and stop being a pussy. 1 hour ago, Highmark said: Without a supermajority in the Senate its futile. Exactly why trump CAN'T run. The Dems will come out in hoards. The Senate will be a Dem controlled and Biden has been such a fcuking dipshit that if it weren't for trump it'd be a landslide the other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted February 27 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 27 22 minutes ago, Deephaven said: You claimed the border was the biggest problem, just clarifying it isn't the biggest. Fiscal bullshit is. Seems you agree. If not, pick a number and stop being a pussy. Exactly why trump CAN'T run. The Dems will come out in hoards. The Senate will be a Dem controlled and Biden has been such a fcuking dipshit that if it weren't for trump it'd be a landslide the other way. Short term immigration is absolutely the biggest most pressing issue. Wanna put a little wager on if Trump ends up on the ticket there won't be a super majority on either side? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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racer254 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 25 minutes ago, Deephaven said: Exactly why trump CAN'T run. The Dems will come out in hoards. The Senate will be a Dem controlled and Biden has been such a fcuking dipshit that if it weren't for trump it'd be a landslide the other way. Maybe ask yourself why dems come out in hoards for whoever they have yet conservatives would rather bitch about the candidate and divide the party. Do you see the dem sheep ever bitching about their candidate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 28 minutes ago, Deephaven said: You claimed the border was the biggest problem, just clarifying it isn't the biggest. Fiscal bullshit is. Seems you agree. If not, pick a number and stop being a pussy. Exactly why trump CAN'T run. The Dems will come out in hoards. The Senate will be a Dem controlled and Biden has been such a fcuking dipshit that if it weren't for trump it'd be a landslide the other way. What is it you don't understand, your CIA and other agencies stole the election from the American people and from Trump. If you still don't get the covid sham, this one is way over your retarded capabilities. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 1 minute ago, racer254 said: Maybe ask yourself why dems come out in hoards for whoever they have yet conservatives would rather bitch about the candidate and divide the party. Do you see the dem sheep ever bitching about their candidate? The independents aren't voting for 81 million, that's why he needs the frauds crossing the border. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 6 minutes ago, racer254 said: Maybe ask yourself why dems come out in hoards for whoever they have yet conservatives would rather bitch about the candidate and divide the party. Do you see the dem sheep ever bitching about their candidate? They come out to vote against Trump. Real simple. It isn't for their candidate. Exactly why the R's need to pick ANYONE else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 2 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: The independents aren't voting for 81 million, that's why he needs the frauds crossing the border. Can you imagine these guys on a sports team? They would rather see the home team get beat because they don't like the star player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 7 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: What is it you don't understand, your CIA and other agencies stole the election from the American people and from Trump. They didn't steal it. Really simple question. If not 81, how many? Ought to be EASY to answer if you believe your own lies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 1 hour ago, ArcticCrusher said: What is it you don't understand, your CIA and other agencies stole the election from the American people and from Trump. If you still don't get the covid sham, this one is way over your retarded capabilities. You could crack the case and be the most famous person in the world. Step right up or STFU? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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