Anler Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 Spinnyvan, you better talk to senator Rubio so he can chill out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 When it gets so bad the media can no longer spin it and turns to ignoring it, you know it’s bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 Do the pacifists on the site actually want to do something about China, a strategic threat? Sounds like war mongering. Welcome to reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 38 minutes ago, akvanden said: Do the pacifists on the site actually want to do something about China, a strategic threat? Sounds like war mongering. Welcome to reality. Right , China is a huge problem. Russia is not. Fuck Ukraine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, f7ben said: Right , China is a huge problem. Russia is not. Fuck Ukraine NATO only exists because of Russia. Sweden and Finland aren’t joining because Russia’s “not a problem.” What supporting Ukraine does do is allow us to eventually redirect resources to more vital areas such as the pacific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 20 minutes ago, akvanden said: NATO only exists because of Russia. Sweden and Finland aren’t joining because Russia’s “not a problem.” What supporting Ukraine does do is allow us to eventually redirect resources to more vital areas such as the pacific. Is Russia on our fucking border or threatening any country aside from fully corrupt former soviet bloc nations? A simple fucking yes or no would do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 6 minutes ago, f7ben said: Is Russia on our fucking border or threatening any country aside from fully corrupt former soviet bloc nations? A simple fucking yes or no would do No. China also no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, akvanden said: No. China also no. China is directly assaulting us economically Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 27 minutes ago, f7ben said: China is directly assaulting us economically Yes they are, and so is Russia. How much IP was stolen during the solar winds hack? Estimates of 100s of billions to contain and fix. Who knows the long term impacts of what was actually stolen. The world isn't so black and white. There's a whole lot of long term strategic thinking that goes into decision making other than "did they attack us physically or not," "do they border us or not," etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 9 minutes ago, akvanden said: Yes they are, and so is Russia. How much IP was stolen during the solar winds hack? Estimates of 100s of billions to contain and fix. Who knows the long term impacts of what was actually stolen. The world isn't so black and white. There's a whole lot of long term strategic thinking that goes into decision making other than "did they attack us physically or not," "do they border us or not," etc. I don’t believe Russia is behind 90% of what they are blamed for. They have been the default scapegoat for every single thing that has upset the political class applecart. I’d assume you think Snowden and Assange are Russian agents and the DNC email leak was actually a Russian hack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted April 2, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 2, 2023 Clearly China and The CCP are the biggest threat we face and it isn’t close. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted April 2, 2023 Author Share Posted April 2, 2023 2 hours ago, akvanden said: Do the pacifists on the site actually want to do something about China, a strategic threat? Sounds like war mongering. Welcome to reality. Well I have been bitching about China since 1999. The time to address them was back then when Clinton and dubya were giving away the country. Now let's fight them when they have the world's largest navy and a 200,000,000 man standing army and they are plotting the rest of the world against us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted April 2, 2023 Author Share Posted April 2, 2023 6 minutes ago, f7ben said: I don’t believe Russia is behind 90% of what they are blamed for. They have been the default scapegoat for every single thing that has upset the political class applecart. I’d assume you think Snowden and Assange are Russian agents and the DNC email leak was actually a Russian hack The idiots have broken rear view mirrors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, Anler said: The idiots have broken rear view mirrors. Yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 Between public and private debt, China is $52 trillion dollars in the hole. That's $52 with a T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted April 2, 2023 Author Share Posted April 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, spin_dry said: Between public and private debt, China is $52 trillion dollars in the hole. That's $52 with a T. https://www.usdebtclock.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 29 minutes ago, f7ben said: I don’t believe Russia is behind 90% of what they are blamed for. They have been the default scapegoat for every single thing that has upset the political class applecart. I’d assume you think Snowden and Assange are Russian agents and the DNC email leak was actually a Russian hack Ok, well, everything points to Russia being behind solarwinds. I’m just glad we’re on the same page on China, even if it doesn’t pass your Russian litmus test. China is and will be our biggest threat. We just happen to be taking advantage of Russia’s fuckup in the meantime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, Anler said: https://www.usdebtclock.org/ China is in far worse shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted April 2, 2023 Author Share Posted April 2, 2023 9 minutes ago, spin_dry said: China is in far worse shape. We should just ignore them then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted April 2, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted April 2, 2023 3 hours ago, Anler said: We should just ignore them then. But stop buying their shit. The reason they have a huge military is because of the American consumers demand for cheap shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted April 2, 2023 Author Share Posted April 2, 2023 1 minute ago, steve from amherst said: But stop buying their shit. The reason they have a huge military is because of the American consumers demand for cheap shit. You misspelled dependency... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 Our involvement in Ukraine pushed China and Russia together. The weakness of Biden pushed the Saudis and Iran together. Our lack of foresight pushed Africa to China over the last decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted April 3, 2023 Author Share Posted April 3, 2023 54 minutes ago, SkisNH said: Our involvement in Ukraine pushed China and Russia together. The weakness of Biden pushed the Saudis and Iran together. Our lack of foresight pushed Africa to China over the last decade. Our involvement everywhere is pushing everyone against us. Wouldn't it be crazy if we focused on us first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 India just told the US to pound sand. I'm sure it's nothing though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 9 minutes ago, Anler said: Our involvement everywhere is pushing everyone against us. Wouldn't it be crazy if we focused on us first? America first? Crazy idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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