Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted December 23, 2022 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 23, 2022 15 minutes ago, SkisNH said: @SnowRider a flat tax is not regressive. If a guy that makes 60k pays 12% it is far less than the guy that make 460k Your talking points are weak sauce... It’s regressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Just now, SnowRider said: It’s regressive. A regressive tax is a tax imposed in such a manner that the tax rate decreases as the amount subject to taxation increases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 You can't just say words without being challenged...you aren't joe biden and this isn't the MSM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted December 23, 2022 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 23, 2022 Just now, SkisNH said: A regressive tax is a tax imposed in such a manner that the tax rate decreases as the amount subject to taxation increases. We need a more progressive tax rate as we’ve already discussed . You haven’t refuted it. Instead you talk in circles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted December 23, 2022 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 23, 2022 Just now, SkisNH said: You can't just say words without being challenged...you aren't joe biden and this isn't the MSM You should ask the oligarchs what they propose and then do the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Just now, SnowRider said: We need a more progressive tax rate as we’ve already discussed . You haven’t refuted it. Instead you talk in circles. I already have shown you with real number and facts who actually pays the federal tax bill...you never respond directly and debate because you have nothing but platitudes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 minute ago, SnowRider said: You should ask the oligarchs what they propose and then do the opposite. Weak.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 I case you missed it the first time 🙄 The top 5% pay 62% of the federal taxe burden....how much more should they pay? The top 25% pays 88% of the federal tax burden...how much more should they pay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted December 23, 2022 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 minute ago, SkisNH said: I case you missed it the first time 🙄 The top 5% pay 62% of the federal taxe burden....how much more should they pay? The top 25% pays 88% of the federal tax burden...how much more should they pay? Followed up with several links you conveniently ignored. Why are you carrying the oligarchs water? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, SnowRider said: Followed up with several links you conveniently ignored. Why are you carrying the oligarchs water? I responded...I asked you if you got poorer because I got richer. You act as if the pie is fixed. Did you know that an immigrant is 28x more likely to be a millionaire than someone here 2nd 3rd or 10th generation....it's because they still believe that anyone can succeed in America. They come here to work. You come here to bitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 15 minutes ago, SkisNH said: I responded...I asked you if you got poorer because I got richer. You act as if the pie is fixed. Did you know that an immigrant is 28x more likely to be a millionaire than someone here 2nd 3rd or 10th generation....it's because they still believe that anyone can succeed in America. They come here to work. You come here to bitch. Wealth concentration is a real problem. The rich getting richer is a massive problem. Whatever we can do to combat that should be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 24 minutes ago, f7ben said: Wealth concentration is a real problem. The rich getting richer is a massive problem. Whatever we can do to combat that should be done. Without the profit motive people won't risk capital and the economy will grind to a halt. A small example let's say a rich guy own 100 duplexes....if we remove the profit motive he won't buy the 101st unit which gets rehabbed by a carpenter a plumber and an electrician...the materials wouldn't be bought for the kitchen and bath remodels etc...then the tax assessment goes up and helps fund the school system. The alternative looks like urban decay... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Don't get me wrong I do fear the Uber riches ability to buy govt policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 59 minutes ago, SnowRider said: Followed up with several links you conveniently ignored. Why are you carrying the oligarchs water? Why do you support tax dodgers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, SkisNH said: Don't get me wrong I do fear the Uber riches ability to buy govt policy. That’s my fear , I’m not worried about the guy worth 5-10 million or something. It’s the billionaire class that’s the problem 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Monopolies cannot exist without the help of a government. So by that measure most high end billionaires needed some sort of government involvement to become billionaires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted December 23, 2022 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 23, 2022 13 minutes ago, SkisNH said: Without the profit motive people won't risk capital and the economy will grind to a halt. A small example let's say a rich guy own 100 duplexes....if we remove the profit motive he won't buy the 101st unit which gets rehabbed by a carpenter a plumber and an electrician...the materials wouldn't be bought for the kitchen and bath remodels etc...then the tax assessment goes up and helps fund the school system. The alternative looks like urban decay... That’s such load of shit. Even oligarchs admit it. You’re a useful idiot for American Oligarchs. Did people stop pursuing wealth prior to measures oligarchs lobbied for which entitled them to even greater concentration of wealth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted December 23, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, SnowRider said: That’s such load of shit. Even oligarchs admit it. You’re a useful idiot for American Oligarchs. Did people stop pursuing wealth prior to measures oligarchs lobbied for which entitled them to even greater concentration of wealth? Why are most American Oligarchs democrats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01mxz800 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 glad my side hustle is all cash fuck paying more taxes than i do already 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted December 23, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 23, 2022 our homegrown American oligarchs. Consider Bill and Melinda Gates, Buffett, Tom Steyer, the Kochs, the Waltons, Michael Bloomberg, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, Paul Singer, George Soros, Art Pope, Sheldon Adelson, Penny Pritzker, Pierre and Pamela Omidyar, Rupert Murdoch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted December 23, 2022 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, Steve753 said: Why are most American Oligarchs democrats? They are not. But that’s the wrong question - why do American oligarchs lobby and support Repug tax policy while opposing D’s? https://www.forbes.com/sites/katiasavchuk/2014/07/09/are-americas-richest-families-republicans-or-democrats/?sh=6c2eb35d3e83 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bontz Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Steve753 said: our homegrown American oligarchs. Consider Bill and Melinda Gates, Buffett, Tom Steyer, the Kochs, the Waltons, Michael Bloomberg, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, Paul Singer, George Soros, Art Pope, Sheldon Adelson, Penny Pritzker, Pierre and Pamela Omidyar, Rupert Murdoch Hmmmm ... seems like toolkit's favorite guy isn't on that list?? Yet, I'm willing to bet it was the mean orange man that fueled this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted December 23, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 minute ago, SnowRider said: They are not. But that’s the wrong question - why do American oligarchs lobby and support Repug tax policy while opposing D’s? https://www.forbes.com/sites/katiasavchuk/2014/07/09/are-americas-richest-families-republicans-or-democrats/?sh=6c2eb35d3e83 The top 10 are mostly democrats. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted December 23, 2022 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 23, 2022 Just now, Bontz said: Hmmmm ... seems like toolkit's favorite guy isn't on that list?? Yet, I'm willing to bet it was the mean orange man that fueled this thread. You really are dense. You try - so i respond - but you are sense. I already answered the inquiry about your dear leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted December 23, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Bontz said: Hmmmm ... seems like toolkit's favorite guy isn't on that list?? Yet, I'm willing to bet it was the mean orange man that fueled this thread. He fuels everything. The guys obsessed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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