Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 29, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 29, 2022 8 hours ago, akvanden said: Or I can just agree with you that they should be tracking it WHILE still funding them. Does that work or do I still have to be a fool? Makes you less of one but still a fool not to realize where much of that money is going.....into the pockets of the Ukrainian elite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, Highmark said: Makes you less of one but still a fool not to realize where much of that money is going.....into the pockets of the Ukrainian elite. But the economies in that area are "BOOMING" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 18 minutes ago, Highmark said: Makes you less of one but still a fool not to realize where much of that money is going.....into the pockets of the Ukrainian elite. Do you have any evidence to back that up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 29, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 29, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, akvanden said: Do you have any evidence to back that up? Human nature and historical precedent in that part of the world. Why again are YOU so afraid of Russia? UKRAINE Published November 27, 2022 9:54am EST Biden admin scrambles to track $20B in Ukraine aid as House Republicans warn of audits Biden's admin reportedly inspected just 10% of weapons going to Ukraine between February and November Edited November 29, 2022 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, Highmark said: Human nature and historical precedent in that part of the world. Why again are YOU so afraid of Russia? UKRAINE Published November 27, 2022 9:54am EST Biden admin scrambles to track $20B in Ukraine aid as House Republicans warn of audits Biden's admin reportedly inspected just 10% of weapons going to Ukraine between February and November That’s what I thought. Granted, current events on FS thrives on assumptions and unwarranted conclusions so your in good company. But…. I’m ok with “being a fool” based on your thoughts without any facts to back it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 29, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 29, 2022 On 11/27/2022 at 10:00 PM, akvanden said: Russia’s already lost, no matter what happens next. 19 hours ago, akvanden said: Completely wipe out Ukraine, with what? They don’t have the resources, and they’re not going to use a nuke. But hypothetically speaking, yes, they could take ALL Ukraine and might be set back 20 years rather than only the 10 they’re currently setback. This war isn’t so much that we love Ukraine as much as we’re using it to knock Russia down. Remember that. 18 hours ago, akvanden said: Unlimited fuel without the logistics to get it to where it’s needed efficiently. Plenty of weaponry? Sure, that’s why they’re outsourcing to Iran and N Korea and bringing out 50 year old tanks. Because they have plenty. 4 minutes ago, akvanden said: That’s what I thought. Granted, current events on FS thrives on assumptions and unwarranted conclusions so your in good company. But…. I’m ok with “being a fool” based on your thoughts without any facts to back it up. Prove your claims with anything other than News articles or are you making assumptions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 12 minutes ago, Highmark said: Prove your claims with anything other than News articles or are you making assumptions? I looked at my calendar and we're now 9 months into this war (the news didn't tell me this). Russia should have overwhelmed them from the start but hasn't due to many of the reasons above. Surely you can agree they've botched what should have been a quick "special military operation." Fortunately we do have information on how things are going. We know roughly what casualties are on either side, we know what weapons Russia is using, how much they've lost, we know what they're reporting in their state media, etc. There's no doubt there's some sort of fraud/corruption going on in Ukraine. No doubt. But just as you mentioned, you'd want a fair chance to protect your family/property/country just as they do. But what you're also implying is that the bathwater is so dirty that you want to throw the baby out with it. I'm saying you don't know that, other than what apparently is a gut feeling you have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted November 29, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 29, 2022 19 hours ago, Anler said: Says who? Russia has unlimited fuel, plenty of weaponry and now half a million troops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 29, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 29, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, akvanden said: I looked at my calendar and we're now 9 months into this war (the news didn't tell me this). Russia should have overwhelmed them from the start but hasn't due to many of the reasons above. Surely you can agree they've botched what should have been a quick "special military operation." Fortunately we do have information on how things are going. We know roughly what casualties are on either side, we know what weapons Russia is using, how much they've lost, we know what they're reporting in their state media, etc. There's no doubt there's some sort of fraud/corruption going on in Ukraine. No doubt. But just as you mentioned, you'd want a fair chance to protect your family/property/country just as they do. But what you're also implying is that the bathwater is so dirty that you want to throw the baby out with it. I'm saying you don't know that, other than what apparently is a gut feeling you have. Actually early on I supported giving some aid including weapons but not without complete transparency as to where the money was going. No different than how you are "looking" at things its completely reasonable to understand the history of corruption in that part of the world. I don't think its just a "gut feeling" to look at history and our politicians refusing to include accountability into the funding legislation to see the something is amiss. That alone is extremely telling. I don't think its unreasonable to assume that if it wasn't for the Russia invasion people such as yourself would be much more cautious about sending them as much money as we are. Forget who should have won who do you think is "winning?" I'd say neither side even with Russia gaining significant portions of the country. Edited November 29, 2022 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Highmark said: Makes you less of one but still a fool not to realize where much of that money is going.....into the pockets of the Ukrainian elite. And laundered back into the hands of scumbag Dem and Rino politicians. Have no fear though cause Ukraine has Putin on the ropes. Let the Peek-A Boo games begin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, Highmark said: Actually early on I supported giving some aid including weapons but not without complete transparency as to where the money was going. No different than how you are "looking" at things its completely reasonable to understand the history of corruption in that part of the world. I don't think its just a "gut feeling" to look at history and our politicians refusing to include accountability into the funding legislation to see the something is amiss. That alone is extremely telling. I don't think its unreasonable to assume that if it wasn't for the Russia invasion people such as yourself would be much more cautious about sending them as much money as we are. So increase accountability and keep the weapons flowing. I'm in agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 29, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 29, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, akvanden said: So increase accountability and keep the weapons flowing. I'm in agreement. Not any more. Let Europe handle their mess from here on out. If NATO or more importantly Europe really wanted to stop this they could have. When Putin started amassing troops on the Ukrainian border they could have just put Ukraine into the organization or the bordering countries started flowing their own troops and weapons into the country. I mean you are confident that Putin would not us nukes right? NATO and Europe did nothing to stop this and where the hell is the UN? Oh that's right they are too worried about going along with the WEF and the great reset. Edited November 29, 2022 by Highmark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 33 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: And laundered back into the hands of scumbag Dem and Rino politicians. Have no fear though cause Ukraine has Putin on the ropes. Let the Peek-A Boo games begin. Gotta love attacking civilian infrastructure, and applauding it. I mean, why keep to those boring old rules of war when you can make the whole population suffer, including women and children? Bravo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 9 minutes ago, Highmark said: Not any more. Let Europe handle their mess from here on out. Damnit, we were so close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 29, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 29, 2022 Just now, akvanden said: Damnit, we were so close. No we weren't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Remember back when Nazis were shunned? Great times... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member EvilBird Posted November 29, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted November 29, 2022 53 minutes ago, akvanden said: I looked at my calendar and we're now 9 months into this war (the news didn't tell me this). Russia should have overwhelmed them from the start but hasn't due to many of the reasons above. Surely you can agree they've botched what should have been a quick "special military operation." Fortunately we do have information on how things are going. We know roughly what casualties are on either side, we know what weapons Russia is using, how much they've lost, we know what they're reporting in their state media, etc. There's no doubt there's some sort of fraud/corruption going on in Ukraine. No doubt. But just as you mentioned, you'd want a fair chance to protect your family/property/country just as they do. But what you're also implying is that the bathwater is so dirty that you want to throw the baby out with it. I'm saying you don't know that, other than what apparently is a gut feeling you have. You know there was corruption now ? wow welcome to 2014 ! Great job voting for Joe and supporting foreign wars. Oh and Your tax money is really appreciated . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, akvanden said: Gotta love attacking civilian infrastructure, and applauding it. I mean, why keep to those boring old rules of war when you can make the whole population suffer, including women and children? Bravo. They're just taking lessons from Nato. Remember when that was OK. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 minute ago, EvilBird said: Great job voting for Joe and supporting foreign wars. Oh and Your tax money is really appreciated . Don't forget to thank both sides for the bipartisan vote in May to support Ukraine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member EvilBird Posted November 29, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 minute ago, ArcticCrusher said: They're just taking lessons from Nato. Remember when that was OK. He is ok with killing Brown people I guess . Typical Libtard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: They're just taking lessons from Nato. Remember when that was OK. Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member EvilBird Posted November 29, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted November 29, 2022 Just now, akvanden said: Don't forget to thank both sides for the bipartisan vote in May to support Ukraine. Not a surprise one bit . Man you are slow. Prob booster damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 minute ago, EvilBird said: Not a surprise one bit . Man you are slow. Prob booster damage. Just want to make sure you know who to thank rather than thanking Biden all the time. It just wouldn't be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member EvilBird Posted November 29, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted November 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, akvanden said: Nope. The same idiots that had us in 20 year War in the Middle East now have us in another prolonged War with no end in sight. Yet you are ok with it because "Putin bad" Insanity , you embrace it . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 3 hours ago, akvanden said: Do you have any evidence to back that up? CBS news did a documentary on it and 2 days later was forced to pull it and edit it. LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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