Biden says he’ll renew push for assault weapons ban following spate of mass shootings

[steve from amherst]

1 minute ago, ActionfigureJoe said:

Gun laws based on actual research on what could actually prevent guns from falling into the wrong hands would be a great start. 

They are in place. Law enforcment knows illegal guns are bought legaly as straw purchases. Yet for some reason ( maybe they dont want to put gangbangers girlfriends in prison ) they are not enforced.

[ActionfigureJoe]

5 minutes ago, steve from amherst said:

This is why gun control gets no where. All democrats answers will do nothing to deter crime and only harm legal owners. 

Most of them dont care if it works or not. They have nothing to lose.

Fuck em

I've converted several gun fearing liberals over to the dark side. One trip to the range and they're hooked. Women are more open to it than the fagmen. There should be a national take a gun fearing person to the range day. 

[steve from amherst]

https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/i-team/gun-straw-buyers-rarely-prosecuted-despite-crackdown-on-illegal-guns

[ActionfigureJoe]

1 minute ago, steve from amherst said:

They are in place. Law enforcment knows illegal guns are bought legaly as straw purchases. Yet for some reason ( maybe they dont want to put gangbangers girlfriends in prison ) they are not enforced.

There's a few gun laws based in research, but not many. Most were read in with come other bill. It's a hodgepodge of bullshit, actually. The right needs to stop with the mental health stuff. It ain't helpful or practical. The left needs to stop with the myths and innuendos of bullshit. 

[steve from amherst]

Investigators traced the weapons back to a Trenton man, Delano Wells, who purchased the firearms for Arland Mills, also from Trenton. Mills pleaded guilty to hiring Wells to illegally buy firearms for him. Wells pleaded guilty to lying on the firearms purchase forms.

Last month, a federal judge sentenced Wells to time served with three years supervised release, the first six months on home detention.

 

Well that will learn him

[hayward]

2 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said:

Gun laws based on actual research on what could actually prevent guns from falling into the wrong hands would be a great start. 

Well people are going to be widespread labeled in a category as to not be able to own a gun based on what?  Internet comments they've made in the past?  Medical diagnoses in like say Autism or some other identified mental state?   Gonna use cell-phone recordings of what you've said or texted?  People ain't gonna go for that shit.

If so Bhen is fucked!  And there's not one ounce of me that is to worry about him ever thinking of hurting anyone, but study his habits on say just here alone, and he'd be on the no buy list.  Same with many other here, including some of the comments i myself have posted over the years.

So how you going to flush em all out?  Impossible.  

The laws in place already have failed quite frequently as so as it is.  Many of these instances were preventable, but people had their head up their asses when the warning signs were showing.

[steve from amherst]

Gun buyer: I wish I hadn't done it

 

 

 

 

Cincinnati Police and federal agents have cracked down on illegal guns and the people caught with them. Chief investigative reporter Craig Cheatham found it's rare for the suppliers of illegal guns to face charges.

 

 

By: Craig Cheatham

Posted at 9:36 PM, Sep 28, 2021

 

and last updated 7:58 PM, Sep 29, 2021

BLUE ASH — BLUE ASH — Blue Ash police found a semi-automatic rifle and 1,800 rounds of ammunition in the bedroom of Robert "Bo" Weber while executing a search warrant in August 2020. Weber was on parole for a gun-related crime. That felony conviction made it a crime for him to possess a firearm.

According to a Blue Ash police affidavit, someone admitted purchasing the gun for Weber, but the buyer wasn't charged.

A 2018 report from the U.S. General Accountability Office found people caught lying on federal firearms purchase forms are rarely charged, even though it's a felony.

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The I-Team's review of federal cases also found when these so-called "straw-purchasers" of firearms are charged, it's usually because the gun was used in a violent crime or was part of a larger criminal conspiracy.

Straw-purchasers are often friends or relatives of the people getting the guns, according to Bureau of Justice Statistics surveys of felons charged with gun possession.

The I-Team interviewed the person who told police she bought the rifle for Weber.

WCPO isn't identifying her because she hasn't been charged.

Blue Ash Police Department

Evidence seized by Blue Ash police in the 2020 investigation of Bo Weber

Weber, now 28, was convicted of a felony for illegally possessing a firearm. He's serving a two-year prison sentence.

"I think you have to have public officials take this more seriously," said Dr. Daniel W. Webster, Director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research in Baltimore. "Cracking down and sending a message on illegal straw-purchasers is really central, in my opinion, to ultimately having long-term sustainable reductions in gun violence."

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Dr. Daniel Webster

The GAO report said there were 112,000 firearms transactions denied in fiscal year 2017 because of false information on federal firearms purchase forms.

The report stated those denials resulted in 12,700 cases investigated by Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms agents.

But according to the GAO, only a handful of these cases went to court. "U.S. Attorney's Offices had prosecuted 12 of these cases as of June 2018," the GAO report stated.

"Where we can prove the elements beyond a reasonable doubt, we're taking those cases," said Vipal Patel, Acting United States Attorney for the Southern District of Ohio since last March.

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Acting United States Attorney Vipal Patel

Patel, First Assistant U.S. Attorney since April 2016, declined to comment on the Blue Ash case.

"The Blue Ash Police Department considers this a successful resolution to this case," Blue Ash Police Chief Scott Noel said in an email response to the I-Team's questions about the case against Bo Weber and the gun buyer's role in it. "To avoid jeopardizing future cases, I will not discuss specific investigative or tactical techniques used by the Blue Ash Police Department."

The I-Team emailed two requests to the office of Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe Deters requesting comment, but his office has not provided one.

Former United States Attorney Ben Glassman reviewed the Blue Ash police records at the I-Team's request.

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Former United States Attorney Ben Glassman

"The facts that you've shared with me – in my mind – warrant an investigation at the conclusion of which a charging decision should be made," Glassman, who is now a partner with the law firm Squire Patton Boggs, told WCPO. "The point of federal law prohibiting people from owning firearms is to make sure firearms stay out of the wrong hands."

Patel said federal prosecutors have charged individuals with lying on federal firearms forms and will continue to do so if the case warrants it.

"The principle here is to make sure the federal government's resources are expended wisely," Patel said. And "that justice is being served in an appropriate fashion."

Local gun "straw buyer" cases

In recent years, federal prosecutors have charged several local individuals with lying on firearms purchase forms.

One of the most high-profile cases followed the 2019 mass murder in Dayton's popular Oregon District.

Connor Betts opened fire on dozens of people, killing 9 and wounding 17 before police shot and killed him.

The U.S. Attorney's Office charged Betts' friend, Ethan Kollie, with providing false information on a firearms purchase form.

Kollie was convicted for buying firearms parts for the semi-automatic rifle Betts used during the shooting.

 

 

 

 

 

Cincinnati's crackdown on illegal guns

In Cincinnati, a Gun Crime Task Force is focusing on getting illegal guns off the streets and prosecuting convicted felons who posses firearms in violation of state and federal law.

The task force includes a special unit of Cincinnati officers.

A prosecutor from both the Hamilton County Prosecuting Attorney's Office and the City of Cincinnati Law Department join federal prosecutors on the task force.

So far, the U.S. Attorney's Office has announced criminal charges against 52 individuals. There have not been charges announced against people who provided those guns to the defendants.

[ActionfigureJoe]

4 minutes ago, hayward said:

Well people are going to be widespread labeled in a category as to not be able to own a gun based on what?  Internet comments they've made in the past?  Medical diagnoses in like say Autism or some other identified mental state?   Gonna use cell-phone recordings of what you've said or texted?  People ain't gonna go for that shit.

If so Bhen is fucked!  And there's not one ounce of me that is to worry about him ever thinking of hurting anyone, but study his habits on say just here alone, and he'd be on the no buy list.  Same with many other here, including some of the comments i myself have posted over the years.

So how you going to flush em all out?  Impossible.  

The laws in place already have failed quite frequently as so as it is.  Many of these instances were preventable, but people had their head up their asses when the warning signs were showing.

I'm not focused on the mass shooter. Mainly because they're virtually impossible to stop. Lone nuts are sometimes detectable, but it's rare. I'm looking more at what can be done at stopping the flow of guns to gangs, drug peddlers, and inner city criminals. As for school shootings....99.999% preventable. 

[Skidooski]

1 hour ago, ActionfigureJoe said:

Clinton got it through.

Trump went after the novelty bump stocks to appease these people

[f7ben]

1 minute ago, Skidooski said:

Trump went after the novelty bump stocks to appease these people

Trump also wanted red flag laws. Trump is a pos 

[Skidooski]

1 hour ago, ActionfigureJoe said:

Clinton got it through.

With help from Reagan?    

[ActionfigureJoe]

10 minutes ago, Skidooski said:

Trump went after the novelty bump stocks to appease these people

First thing that needs to be done is honesty about gun related homicides stats. Over half are suicide. Now there's your mental health piece. Separate that out of the equation. As for the rest of actual gun related homicides, very ,very few are committed by a mentally ill person. That's because very few mental illnesses result in violent acting out. If they are, it'll usually be the lone nut who doesn't telegraph it. Much of that can be identified as schizophrenia of the paranoid type. That typically surfaces in males between the ages of 18-24. Sometimes a little later. 

Edited November 26, 2022 by ActionfigureJoe

[f7ben]

2 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said:

First thing that needs to be done is honesty about gun related homicides stats. Over half are suicide. Now there's your mental health piece. Separate that out of the equation. As for the rest of actual gun related homicides, very ,very few are committed by a mentally ill person. That's because very few mental illnesses result in violent acting out. If they are, it'll usually be the lone nut who doesn't telegraph it. Much of that can be identified as schizophrenia of the paranoid type. That typically surfaces in males between the ages of 18-24. Sometimes a little later. 

There will be no honesty because when you lay the stats bare it destroys the narrative. 

[ActionfigureJoe]

Just now, f7ben said:

There will be no honesty because when you lay the stats bare it destroys the narrative. 

True. Once a person or a group of people develop a fixed belief, it's difficult to change their mind. I have a family member who stopped talking to me because I own guns. I really don't care because I never really liked her much.....but to dismiss your family over a constitutional right? Whatever. 

[SkisNH]

1 hour ago, Mainecat said:

Oh I do. It says arms….that meant one shot black powder guns. 

Is that what it ment? In 1718 the puckle gun was invented...

[Mainecat]

4 hours ago, EvilBird said:

Everytime you buy a gun? 

How about every time someone buys another vehicle they should take a safety driving class and have to pass a course. 

Would save more lives. 

The law would start on your next gun purchase. You could own ten guns but after the law would go in effect a safety course would be required on the new purchase. You then would be required to show your safety course card for future purchases.

myself and many friends who are gun owners approve this. 

[Mainecat]

4 hours ago, Snake said:

The same people that use illegal guns and kills people indiscriminately is going to take his ass down to a course...

You are so stupid it hurts...

Dude no one wants to take your guns including me. I do want owners to be safe. 
your a fuckin idiot.

[Rigid1]

4 hours ago, Mainecat said:

We agree but one should have to attend safety class with the next gun purchase no matter how many guns you currently own.

Should you have to take a driver's test every time you get a new car?

[Skidooski]

2 minutes ago, Rigid1 said:

Should you have to take a driver's test every time you get a new car?

Especially the elderly! 

[Mainecat]

2 minutes ago, Rigid1 said:

Should you have to take a driver's test every time you get a new car?

The first time you buy one yes. If you want to drive it you do.

[Jimmy Snacks]

33 minutes ago, Mainecat said:

Dude no one wants to take your guns including me. I do want owners to be safe. 
your a fuckin idiot.

Your comment implies that shootings occur because otherwise good people didn’t take a safety class…really? 

[f7ben]

39 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said:

Your comment implies that shootings occur because otherwise good people didn’t take a safety class…really? 

You ask an absolute moron like MC to provide examples of shootings that would have been prevented with implementing these types of things and they have nothing. Just the dumbest of the dumb. 

[ActionfigureJoe]

1 hour ago, Mainecat said:

The law would start on your next gun purchase. You could own ten guns but after the law would go in effect a safety course would be required on the new purchase. You then would be required to show your safety course card for future purchases.

myself and many friends who are gun owners approve this. 

This a criminality issue. Not a safety issue. 

[Mainecat]

1 hour ago, Jimmy Snacks said:

Your comment implies that shootings occur because otherwise good people didn’t take a safety class…really? 

How many guns are stolen every year due to unsafe storage? Safe storage is taught in gun safety classes.

 

[Mainecat]

5 minutes ago, Mainecat said:

How many guns are stolen every year due to unsafe storage? Safe storage is taught in gun safety classes.

 

Just checked….380,000 guns are stolen every year.

https://truckvault.com/post/gun-theft-america#:~:text=Every day in the U.S.,used to commit violent crimes.

Edited November 26, 2022 by Mainecat