Voodoo Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 (edited) https://driving.ca/column/motor-mouth/motor-mouth-this-virtue-signalling-ev-is-far-far-far-from-carbon-neutral?utm_source=aroundthenetwork&utm_medium=onnetwork&utm_campaign=on_network_boosting&utm_content=driving 500 Apollo missions to the moon and back, before this EV is truly carbon neutral, yet it's billed as such. Twice the carbon emissions for Volvo's EV, compared to the IC version in producing one, not to mention the carbon eating forest destroyed, that is being done in building them. Quite a smoke and mirrors game. Gobbled up by the virtue signaling ill informed. I would like to buy an EV to replace one of my three IC vehicles. I could really save some money on gas if I used it to commute without the need for my vans and parts or my truck and loaded trailer. Fuck the planet, I'm saving real money!! I commute to work sometimes on the DRz400. It burns about 4 liters of gas both ways. My van uses about 13 liters, my truck 18 liters. I'll save the planet that way Edited November 11, 2022 by Voodoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted November 11, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted November 11, 2022 Do you even understand what the article is comparing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 1 minute ago, BOHICA said: Do you even understand what the article is comparing? Ummm.... ...subsidies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 The byline nails it like a jackhammer... "As the automotive industry tries to start a once-in-a-generation revolution, we can expect more moral grandstanding! Anyone we know... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Do you even understand what the article is comparing? Just as an exercise in incredulity, let’s compare the amount of carbon dioxide such a car might capture; to how much CO2 is actually produced in the manufacture of a zero-emissions electric vehicle. For this we’ll turn to Volvo, which, to its great credit, provides the most detailed analysis available regarding how much greenhouse gases electric vehicles create in their lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted November 11, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted November 11, 2022 Just now, Snake said: Just as an exercise in incredulity, let’s compare the amount of carbon dioxide such a car might capture; to how much CO2 is actually produced in the manufacture of a zero-emissions electric vehicle. For this we’ll turn to Volvo, which, to its great credit, provides the most detailed analysis available regarding how much greenhouse gases electric vehicles create in their lifetime. And? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 The vegans of the car world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 12 minutes ago, BOHICA said: And? You asked, I answered right from the article. Now it is your turn to continue you analysis of the rest of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted November 11, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted November 11, 2022 8 minutes ago, Snake said: You asked, I answered right from the article. Now it is your turn to continue you analysis of the rest of it. So it would take this carbon sequestering car 1/2 the miles to sequester the manufacturing of an ICE car…. Then there is this…. The Volvo analysis also shows a break-even point, at which the advantages of the “use phase” outweigh the extra footprint of manufacturing vs. gasoline. For the C40 Recharge, it’s seen at about 48,000 miles with the current EU power mix—or just 30,000 miles if it were charged with wind energy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Posted November 11, 2022 Author Share Posted November 11, 2022 28 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Do you even understand what the article is comparing? I do. Volvo is stating that the construction of an EV, contributes twice the carbon emission of an IC vehicle. Did you miss that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted November 11, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted November 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Voodoo said: I do. Volvo is stating that the construction of an EV, contributes twice the carbon emission of an IC vehicle. Did you miss that? Nope. What the moon mission mileages about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Posted November 12, 2022 Author Share Posted November 12, 2022 11 hours ago, BOHICA said: Nope. What the moon mission mileages about? It EV would have to drive to the moon and back 500 times before it's carbon neutral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted November 12, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted November 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Voodoo said: It EV would have to drive to the moon and back 500 times before it's carbon neutral. How times to a moon and back would an ice have to drive to become carbon neutral? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 23 minutes ago, BOHICA said: How times to a moon and back would an ice have to drive to become carbon neutral? No one is bragging their ICE is carbon neutral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted November 12, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted November 12, 2022 Is anybody bragging that EV’s are carbon neutral? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 12, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 12, 2022 Automotive industry loves the idea of EV's being forced onto a population. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 12, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 12, 2022 11 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Is anybody bragging that EV’s are carbon neutral? Well they call them zero emissions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 EVs are one of the biggest scams ever, but every scam needs its dumb sheep to buy into it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted November 12, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: EVs are one of the biggest scams ever, but every scam needs its dumb sheep to buy into it. That's not true whatsoever. They have their place in the market. If they can improve range and price point more and more people will consider them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted November 12, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted November 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, Highmark said: Well they call them zero emissions. They are zero emissions vehicles by definition. Haven’t seen anybody ever claim carbon neutral. They just emit a lot less pollutants over the average lifespan of a vehicle in the US A zero-emission vehicle, or ZEV, is a vehicle that does not emit exhaust gas or other pollutants from the onboard source of power.[1][2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-emissions_vehicle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 12, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, BOHICA said: They are zero emissions vehicles by definition. Haven’t seen anybody ever claim carbon neutral. They just emit a lot less pollutants over the average lifespan of a vehicle in the US A zero-emission vehicle, or ZEV, is a vehicle that does not emit exhaust gas or other pollutants from the onboard source of power.[1][2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-emissions_vehicle Again....they set the definition to fit their agenda when it truly isn't zero emissions in order to operate. At least not yet and not for a LONG time into the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger** Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 It's the huge environmental impact EV's leave in their wake, not to say anything about the fire danger and I will not be putting one in my garage anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted November 12, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Badger** said: It's the huge environmental impact EV's leave in their wake, not to say anything about the fire danger and I will not be putting one in my garage anytime soon. ICE vehicles never catch fire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted November 12, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted November 12, 2022 The third-party online organization AutoInsuranceEZ recently published additional information after diving into data from the National Transportation Safety Board and government recall statistics. Hybrid vehicle fires ranked first with 3474.5 fires per 100,000 vehicle sales (16,051 fires). Next came ICE cars with 1520.9 fires per 100,000 sales (199,533 fires). BEVs were at the very bottom of this calamity heap with only 25.1 fires per 100,000 vehicle sales (52 fires). https://www.hagerty.com/media/opinion/ev-fires-not-coming-to-a-garage-near-you-statistically-speaking/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger** Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Steve753 said: ICE vehicles never catch fire? They can easily be put out, EV's are a real battle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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