Gold Member BOHICA Posted November 12, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted November 12, 2022 9 minutes ago, Highmark said: Again....they set the definition to fit their agenda when it truly isn't zero emissions in order to operate. At least not yet and not for a LONG time into the future. Definition for ZEV hasn’t changed since it’s inception…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted November 12, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 12, 2022 Just now, Badger** said: They can easily be put out, EV's are a real battle. Can you get carbon monoxide poisoning from an EV? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 12, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Definition for ZEV hasn’t changed since it’s inception…. Of course....who made the definition? You can honestly say its done with no intent of fooling the ave consumer into thinking they don't produce ANY CO2 to run? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger** Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Steve753 said: Can you get carbon monoxide poisoning from an EV? Yes when they catch on fire in your garage and your inside your home. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, Steve753 said: Can you get carbon monoxide poisoning from an EV? Once an ev catches fire there's no stopping it. How many people die from carbon monoxide from a ice? Grasp much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 31 minutes ago, BOHICA said: They are zero emissions vehicles by definition. Haven’t seen anybody ever claim carbon neutral. They just emit a lot less pollutants over the average lifespan of a vehicle in the US A zero-emission vehicle, or ZEV, is a vehicle that does not emit exhaust gas or other pollutants from the onboard source of power.[1][2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-emissions_vehicle Almost like you would have to drive to the moon and back a bunch of times, huh? OMG... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted November 12, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 12, 2022 Just now, Badger** said: Yes when they catch on fire in your garage and your inside your home. Touche! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted November 12, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 12, 2022 9 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Once an ev catches fire there's no stopping it. How many people die from carbon monoxide from a ice? Grasp much. Who said anything about dying? Lots of people run their cars in their attached garages to warm up and the fumes come in the house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 35 minutes ago, Steve753 said: That's not true whatsoever. They have their place in the market. If they can improve range and price point more and more people will consider them. Let me buy a car that does 1/10 of what my current car can do for 2x the amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted November 12, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Snake said: Almost like you would have to drive to the moon and back a bunch of times, huh? OMG... You're such a simpleton, that if Trump endorsed EVs you'd be all for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted November 12, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted November 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Snake said: Almost like you would have to drive to the moon and back a bunch of times, huh? OMG... obviously if you have an imaginary carbon sequester device on your EV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Steve753 said: Who said anything about dying? Lots of people run their cars in their attached garages to warm up and the fumes come in the house. Is this a real problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted November 12, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted November 12, 2022 1 minute ago, ArcticCrusher said: Let me buy a car that does 1/10 of what my current car can do for 2x the amount. What are you comparing in your scenario of vehicles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted November 12, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted November 12, 2022 13 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Once an ev catches fire there's no stopping it. How many people die from carbon monoxide from a ice? Grasp much. How many people have died as a result of EV fires…. I’m not talking wrecks. But EV just sitting there and starting on fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 Just now, Steve753 said: You're such a simpleton, that if Trump endorsed EVs you'd be all for them. And the TDS comes in where witty repertoire fails... Sometimes it's best to just say nothing... Just now, BOHICA said: obviously if you have an imaginary carbon sequester device on your EV. But... but... but.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, Steve753 said: Who said anything about dying? Lots of people run their cars in their attached garages to warm up and the fumes come in the house. Yeah, it's called suicide... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, BOHICA said: What are you comparing in your scenario of vehicles? It will work as a low mileage citidiot commuter. My decade old f150 will smoke it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted November 12, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted November 12, 2022 Volvo electric becomes cleaner then Volvo ICE at the worst case scenario at 68,000 miles if the EV version is coal powered. after that the ICE becomes more polluting. When using the average global energy supply, a Volvo C40 Recharge will need to cover 68,300 miles (109,918 km) before it breaks even with the ICE XC40 — in this scenario, that’s over half of the car’s lifetime. However, over that lifespan, the EV will account for 15 percent fewer overall emissions than the ICE vehicle. Running the C40 on the EU28 electricity scenario doubles the overall reduction in emissions to 30 percent and reduces the breakeven point to 48,000 miles (77,248 km). And if you’re able to charge your C40 on renewable energy alone, the carbon footprint of the EV is half that of the ICE, breaking even in just over 30,000 miles (48,280 km). https://www.carscoops.com/2021/11/volvo-says-manufacturing-an-electric-car-generates-70-percent-more-emissions-than-its-petrol-equivalent/amp/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, BOHICA said: How many people have died as a result of EV fires…. I’m not talking wrecks. But EV just sitting there and starting on fire. Not many but there aren't that many out there now. It will get much much worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted November 12, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted November 12, 2022 1 minute ago, ArcticCrusher said: It will work as a low mileage citidiot commuter. My decade old f150 will smoke it. What new vehicles are you comparing??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted November 12, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted November 12, 2022 Just now, ArcticCrusher said: Not many but there aren't that many out there now. It will get much much worse. How many? 19 Chevy Bolts in total caught fire over the years with 0 deaths. And the Chevy bolt made up the majority of EV fires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted November 12, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 12, 2022 54 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Is this a real problem? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 1 hour ago, BOHICA said: What new vehicles are you comparing??? What can a new ev do that a 10 year ice can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted November 12, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 12, 2022 7 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: What can a new ev do that a 10 year ice can't. Not produce carbon monoxide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Steve753 said: Not produce carbon monoxide. Sure. How many African minors died making the ev. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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