irv Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 But today, the nation’s ethanol plants produce more than double the climate-damaging pollution, per gallon of fuel production capacity, than the nation’s oil refineries, according to a Reuters analysis of federal data. The average ethanol plant chuffed out 1,187 metric tons of carbon emissions per million gallons of fuel capacity in 2020, the latest year data is available. The average oil refinery, by contrast, produced 533 metric tons of carbon. A growing consensus of academics has found that, considering all phases of the fuel’s life cycle, ethanol produces more carbon than gasoline – not less. A study published by the National Academy of Sciences in February, for example, estimated that ethanol produces 24% more carbon. The U.S. government has maintained that ethanol produces less pollution than gasoline despite the growing body of independent research showing the opposite. The EPA bases its claim that ethanol benefits the climate on calculations made nearly 15 years ago using a handful of scientific models. The models include one that was recommended to the agency by the Renewable Fuels Association, agency documents show. https://driving.ca/auto-news/industry/ethanol-plants-pollute-more-than-oil-refineries?_ga=2.46114913.410070498.1663001275-957761252.1663001273&_gl=1*lzbwr9*_ga*OTU3NzYxMjUyLjE2NjMwMDEyNzM.*_ga_H792QCFZPV*MTY2MzAwMTI3NS4xLjEuMTY2MzAwMTUyOC4xOC4wLjA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Ethanol is solar energy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Looks like it was plant only based, and entire chain of energy ethanol had less CO2. Seems it’s the old dirty plants causing the problems. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted September 12, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted September 12, 2022 Ethanol is just more farmer subsidies upon the mountain of subsidies farming gets already. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bontz Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Ethanol is just more farmer subsidies upon the mountain of subsidies farming gets already. Kind of ironic, seeing you post about this like it's a bad thing. How much kickback $$$ have you been bragging about with all your EV and solar/green energy virtue signaling? 3 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Ethanol was actually found to be an effective anti knock compound before lead. But it wasn’t cheap. Lead was cheaper. but leaded fuels caused brain damage particularly in lower income communities. eyhanol fixed this problem. It’s literally racist to be against ethanol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X2700 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Largest issue with ethanol is the massive amounts of water it takes to make!! oh and it’s also what we eat!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted September 12, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted September 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Bontz said: Kind of ironic, seeing you post about this like it's a bad thing. How much kickback $$$ have you been bragging about with all your EV and solar/green energy virtue signaling? Take advantage of anything the law allows that benefits you or your business. Would be stupid not to take advantage of everything the law allows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 3 hours ago, X2700 said: Largest issue with ethanol is the massive amounts of water it takes to make!! oh and it’s also what we eat!!! The water cycle remains a constant. The more northern areas of NA have an abundance of water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 This is about oil companies like Exxon battling ag companies like DuPont and Monsanto. Then there’s Irv. The energy expert. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irv Posted September 13, 2022 Author Share Posted September 13, 2022 6 hours ago, spin_dry said: This is about oil companies like Exxon battling ag companies like DuPont and Monsanto. Then there’s Irv. The energy expert. How many times have you had covid and how many vaccines have you taken now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 3 hours ago, irv said: How many times have you had covid and how many vaccines have you taken now? He probably doesn’t remember. TV man is about Russia right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 23 hours ago, BOHICA said: Ethanol is just more farmer subsidies upon the mountain of subsidies farming gets already. Remember farmers feed cities without them we will not survive !! Besides that farmers get fucked daily !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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