All,

As in the previous FS I am willing to lend my expertise like any others on this forum.  I will attempt to answer any and all relevant question you have regarding sleds, ATVs and general enforcement.  Be aware..this is not official OPP communication nor is it legal advice.  Its simply my opinion based on experience as a police officer.  For those unaware I've spent the past 10yrs working in the Snowmobile ATV Vessel Enforcement team (SAVE) and have built up a lot of experience, met many of the original members and I think we all had benefitted from the questions shared on here.  Hopefully the mods will pin this thread.  All I ask is that this thread not turn into a police bashing thread...  If that happens I will not be able to continue.  Feel free to bash away, just not in this thread please. 

 

Sean

My son sold his ATV and is now shopping for a dirt bike.

Many of the bikes on Kijiji where never registered but have the original bill of sale.

These owners state they only used it on their private property. I think they been raced and driven hard. 

Can he bring the original bill of sales to the mto to register the bike? Anyway of tracing a vin to find out if it's stolen property?

Any advice on  shopping for dirt bikes would be appreciated.

1 minute ago, woodyf said:

My son sold his ATV and is now shopping for a dirt bike.

Many of the bikes on Kijiji where never registered but have the original bill of sale.

These owners state they only used it on their private property. I think they been raced and driven hard. 

Can he bring the original bill of sales to the mto to register the bike? Anyway of tracing a vin to find out if it's stolen property?

Any advice on  shopping for dirt bikes would be appreciated.

Yes, the bill of sale and possibly an affidavit should work.  If the bike has never been registered it wouldn't show as stolen in the MTO database.  It could however appear in the CPIC database.  

Sean

I have a question about drinking on a boat.  I know it is illegal but if people are drinking on the boat and the captain is not and completely sober, can he still be issued a ticket for allowing it?  I heard a guy got nailed for "allowing" his wife to drink on their boat. $300 fine.   Is that true?

Thanks

2 minutes ago, Renegade X said:

I have a question about drinking on a boat.  I know it is illegal but if people are drinking on the boat and the captain is not and completely sober, can he still be issued a ticket for allowing it?  I heard a guy got nailed for "allowing" his wife to drink on their boat. $300 fine.   Is that true?

Thanks

As the captain or master of the vessel you are legally responsible for what goes on aboard.  So yes, it is possible that the captain was charged.  But not $300.  It would be $215 total for operate vessel underway with open alcohol.  Most guys I know will ticket an individual and not the captain.  Or if there are multiple people drinking and the interaction is good I (me) will use our allowed discretion and let one person come forward to take the actual ticket and encourage the others to chip in.  Usually this would be a $125 total fine for open alcohol in public.  

 

Sean

Sean, I honestly wish there were more good cops, like you. Lots of common sense, and very, very fair. Thanks for being who you are.

23 minutes ago, Frostynuts said:

Sean, I honestly wish there were more good cops, like you. Lots of common sense, and very, very fair. Thanks for being who you are.

Thanks!!  Very much appreciate that!!!

19 hours ago, odot1 said:

As the captain or master of the vessel you are legally responsible for what goes on aboard.  So yes, it is possible that the captain was charged.  But not $300.  It would be $215 total for operate vessel underway with open alcohol.  Most guys I know will ticket an individual and not the captain.  Or if there are multiple people drinking and the interaction is good I (me) will use our allowed discretion and let one person come forward to take the actual ticket and encourage the others to chip in.  Usually this would be a $125 total fine for open alcohol in public.  

 

Sean

Thanks man for the info. I'll second what frosty said. 

Have a good one!

Dumb question of the day.

Quoted from Faceplant:

Quote

steel toes are actually against the law to wear while driving , but yes appropriate footwear is needed

I've been driving since '77 or '78 & never heard of this until today. Barefoot yes.

File this along with the "it's illegal to leave the trailer hitch installed" nonsense?

4 minutes ago, revrnd said:

Dumb question of the day.

Quoted from Faceplant:

I've been driving since '77 or '78 & never heard of this until today. Barefoot yes.

File this along with the "it's illegal to leave the trailer hitch installed" nonsense?

Definitely not illegal.  

Is it still law in Ontario to wear a motorcycle helmet?  I saw a dude not wearing one and thought they changed it for everyone now. 

10 minutes ago, Renegade X said:

Is it still law in Ontario to wear a motorcycle helmet?  I saw a dude not wearing one and thought they changed it for everyone now. 

Sadly, it's a two tiered law now.  If you are Sikh and wearing your turban you are exempt on a motorcycle on a highway both as defined by the Highway Traffic Act.  I know this is a sensitive and controversial topic...so I ask that all comments are respectful in this thread as the usual caveat applies...if it goes off the rails I'll lose my permission to post.  And remember.. Indid not create this law (or any others) I'm simply a nessenger.  

13 minutes ago, odot1 said:

Sadly, it's a two tiered law now.  If you are Sikh and wearing your turban you are exempt on a motorcycle on a highway both as defined by the Highway Traffic Act.  I know this is a sensitive and controversial topic...so I ask that all comments are respectful in this thread as the usual caveat applies...if it goes off the rails I'll lose my permission to post.  And remember.. Indid not create this law (or any others) I'm simply a nessenger.  

No worries, I hear it may change to everyone in the future? Have you heard that?

Just now, Renegade X said:

No worries, I hear it may change to everyone in the future? Have you heard that?

I haven't heard anything official. But I do know from history that laws that exclude or favor a specific group generally do not pass a charter test very well.   It's also tough as an officer (my experience only) to morally/ethically charge one person for something while letting the guy beside him go free only because of two tiered laws. 

1 hour ago, odot1 said:

I haven't heard anything official. But I do know from history that laws that exclude or favor a specific group generally do not pass a charter test very well.   It's also tough as an officer (my experience only) to morally/ethically charge one person for something while letting the guy beside him go free only because of two tiered laws. 

Thanks again for the info!

Hey Sean, what is the definition of a turban ? Would a tied up oversize hanky do ? LOL

1 hour ago, Frostynuts said:

Hey Sean, what is the definition of a turban ? Would a tied up oversize hanky do ? LOL

Ha!!  I'm thinking probably not.....  Good ingenuity tho.  

How is one confirmed to be Sikh?

2 hours ago, Stoney said:

How is one confirmed to be Sikh?

You cannot verify that. I am for helmet laws, we have socialized medicine and disability. We have to pay for those that smash there heads. Now if they had to buy private insurance to cover this and were excluded from any tax payer funded service or benefit given due to a preventable head injury, then do as you please. I know this. Insurance companies cannot ask your religion when offering a quote.

Does the Turban rule apply to snowmobiles as well?

28 minutes ago, Sksman said:

Does the Turban rule apply to snowmobiles as well?

No, the amendment applied only to the Highway Traffic Atc.

Speaking of helmets, here's a new one. (As a cyclist I shake my head when I see 'riders' wearing a ball cap under their helmet. Not really sure how that would work out on impact)

Now to today, two older couples ride by on 4 Harleys. The second 'woman' and I use that term loosely, was wearing a baseball cap under her open face helmet. We've heard grumbling about the police checking helmet straps at spot checks on the trail. Discussion has gone back and forth about whether this is for checking for helmet secureness and/or booze on the operators breath.

Now to my question Sean, what would your opinion be of a motorcycle rider w/ this kind of 'headgear'? I've seen guys wearing doo rags or bandanas but I don't think they'd really affect how secure the helmet would be on the head (much like a balaclava in the winter). I'm thinking that it would be difficult to make sure the helmet was tight on the noggin with an irregularly thickness in between.

Edited August 20, 20204 yr by revrnd

8 hours ago, revrnd said:

Speaking of helmets, here's a new one. (As a cyclist I shake my head when I see 'riders' wearing a ball cap under their helmet. Not really sure how that would work out on impact)

Now to today, two older couples ride by on 4 Harleys. The second 'woman' and I use that term loosely, was wearing a baseball cap under her open face helmet. We've heard grumbling about the police checking helmet straps at spot checks on the trail. Discussion has gone back and forth about whether this is for checking for helmet secureness and/or booze on the operators breath.

Now to my question Sean, what would your opinion be of a motorcycle rider w/ this kind of 'headgear'? I've seen guys wearing doo rags or bandanas but I don't think they'd really affect how secure the helmet would be on the head (much like a balaclava in the winter). I'm thinking that it would be difficult to make sure the helmet was tight on the noggin with an irregularly thickness in between.

You make very valid points. The doo rag or balaclava really do nothing to change the fitment and protective qualities of the helmet. Ball caps however change it greatly. It causes the helmet to remain loose and insecure. That meets the threshold and would be considered a violation.  

 

Sean

13 hours ago, odot1 said:

You make very valid points. The doo rag or balaclava really do nothing to change the fitment and protective qualities of the helmet. Ball caps however change it greatly. It causes the helmet to remain loose and insecure. That meets the threshold and would be considered a violation.  

 

Sean

Thanks! The helmet looked like 1 of those $45 Crappy Tire open face versions...

Some people go all out for the best helmet (in their mind) that money can buy, while others go for the 'cheapest bucket' that they can find...

Hi Odot,

As you are regularly on trails and taking helmets off and on I have a few helmet strap related questions.

 

I have seen many different brands of helmet quick release buckles for sale.  Are these legal to add to your helmet?

Have you seen any cases where these buckles fail in a crash resulting in or potentially result in more severe injury?

Would you or do you use a quick release and if so any recommendations on brand?

 

thank you

dave 

1 hour ago, Sksman said:

Hi Odot,

As you are regularly on trails and taking helmets off and on I have a few helmet strap related questions.

 

I have seen many different brands of helmet quick release buckles for sale.  Are these legal to add to your helmet?

Have you seen any cases where these buckles fail in a crash resulting in or potentially result in more severe injury?

Would you or do you use a quick release and if so any recommendations on brand?

 

thank you

dave 

Hey Dave, great questions!!!  We do use quick release buckles on all our helmets.  I honestly can't tell you what brand as our equipment is supplied to us and comes ready to wear out of the box.  I've never seen any failures bot personally and in a collision. When helmets fail in collisions it's because they weren't buckled tight enough or not at all.  There are no regulations against the buckles 

Go to your local powersports store and check out what they have.  I find some are more of a pain to use than others.  

 

 

Sesn