Sksman Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Puzzleboy said: Or U-Hauls and the like. My Dad (an old Class A license guy) goes on about those and RVs all the time. lol Hi Odot 1, Can you clarify do the larger fifth wheel trailers require a modified A license? My parents both had to get modified A for their Pick up and 35 foot fifth wheel. This was done by RV dealer. Odot 1 can you also verify weight limit but for comercial i think it is 10,000lbs trailer and you require your A license. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odot1 Posted February 14, 2018 Author Share Posted February 14, 2018 35 minutes ago, Sksman said: Hi Odot 1, Can you clarify do the larger fifth wheel trailers require a modified A license? My parents both had to get modified A for their Pick up and 35 foot fifth wheel. This was done by RV dealer. Odot 1 can you also verify weight limit but for comercial i think it is 10,000lbs trailer and you require your A license. Yes to the modified A licences for the larger 5th wheels and the big RVs. Regular A licence: Any combination of truck/tractor and trailer with a Manufacturer’s Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (MGVWR) of at least 4600 kg; and A full air brake system on both the truck/tractor and trailer. Restricted Class A licence: Any combination of truck/tractor and trailer with a Manufacturer’s Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (MGVWR) of at least 4600 kg; and Trailer is not equipped with air brakes. So essentially its a bit of weight but also a separate full braking system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slow Joe Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 20 minutes ago, odot1 said: Yes to the modified A licences for the larger 5th wheels and the big RVs. Regular A licence: Any combination of truck/tractor and trailer with a Manufacturer’s Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (MGVWR) of at least 4600 kg; and A full air brake system on both the truck/tractor and trailer. Restricted Class A licence: Any combination of truck/tractor and trailer with a Manufacturer’s Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (MGVWR) of at least 4600 kg; and Trailer is not equipped with air brakes. So essentially its a bit of weight but also a separate full braking system. So to acquire that license is it the same as class A as far as medical exam,re writing tests, do you have to take a road test to get this I had never heard of this class of license interested to know if the winters dont improve here I might have to buy a huge RV and trailer and head to Inuvik or Alaska for 6 months of the year,wearing different apparel than snow birds, fur hat, bid snow pants ,sorrels,and a sun lamp.Frozen Joe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odot1 Posted February 14, 2018 Author Share Posted February 14, 2018 27 minutes ago, Slow Joe said: So to acquire that license is it the same as class A as far as medical exam,re writing tests, do you have to take a road test to get this I had never heard of this class of license interested to know if the winters dont improve here I might have to buy a huge RV and trailer and head to Inuvik or Alaska for 6 months of the year,wearing different apparel than snow birds, fur hat, bid snow pants ,sorrels,and a sun lamp.Frozen Joe From what I can tell, the differences are almost non-existent in the process. The obvious difference being the vehicle used for the road test. Still need medical, eyes, written test etc.. I've been an AMZ licence for a long time. I didn't find the road test all that challenging, nor are the written tests. Pulled this from MTO site; Restricted Class A licence What you can drive The restricted Class A (condition R) licence is meant for drivers operating smaller truck-trailer combinations, such as a recreational, horse or utility trailer. You can also drive: a car or light truck covered by a Class G licence heavy trucks covered by the Class D truck licence What you can't drive With a restricted Class A licence, you can't: pull a trailer equipped with air brakes drive a full-size tractor-trailer drive a vehicle pulling a double trailer train another driver on a vehicle that requires full Class A privileges to drive Requirements To apply for a restricted Class A licence (condition R), you need to: be at least 18 years old hold a valid Ontario licence other than G1, G2, M, M1 or M2 pass an eye test submit a medical report pass a knowledge test about operating large trucks and tractor-trailers pass a road test 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slow Joe Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 I see in the regs Odot 1 "Drive a vehicle pulling a double trailer" I have seen this more frequently in the last couple years on the highways pickup truck with a camper trailer with a boat trailer tagging along, so is that a illegal practice or they just breezed thru under the radar as it were.Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puzzleboy Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 (edited) It's legal (might even be referenced earlier in this thread IIRC), but for some reason the legislation states that the tow vehicle must be a "pickup truck". Lol. Nobody seems to know why that is..... I'm sure Odot can post up the piece of legislation that defines the requirements. I'm thinking of doing it with two sled trailers. My dad does it with the fifth wheel and a boat trailer. Edited February 14, 2018 by Puzzleboy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slow Joe Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Yea my original understanding of this when i asked a guy at a service centre was it was legal behind a fifth or a gooseneck but yes i did mean bumper pull "only a saying" behind a pickup two in the rear '"that will make the girls wince".Make no mistake straight Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odot1 Posted February 14, 2018 Author Share Posted February 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Slow Joe said: Yea my original understanding of this when i asked a guy at a service centre was it was legal behind a fifth or a gooseneck but yes i did mean bumper pull "only a saying" behind a pickup two in the rear '"that will make the girls wince".Make no mistake straight Joe 12 minutes ago, Puzzleboy said: It's legal (might even be referenced earlier in this thread IIRC), but for some reason the legislation states that the tow vehicle must be a "pickup truck". Lol. Nobody seems to know why that is..... I'm sure Odot can post up the piece of legislation that defines the requirements. I'm thinking of doing it with two sled trailers. My dad does it with the fifth wheel and a boat trailer. 20 minutes ago, Slow Joe said: I see in the regs Odot 1 "Drive a vehicle pulling a double trailer" I have seen this more frequently in the last couple years on the highways pickup truck with a camper trailer with a boat trailer tagging along, so is that a illegal practice or they just breezed thru under the radar as it were.Joe Yes...it's legal and seems to be happening more and more frequently. As the Puzzler said the regs reference pickup trucks only.. Never did clarification on this. The requirements aren't any different really than a single trailer. It was discussed a little while ago in this thread. You have to watch your overall weight and length. I'll have to dig for the regs.. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puzzleboy Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 I'd love to hear the rationale, but might have to go to Queen's Park to get it. I could see if it's a stability issue, but of course lots of light pickups don't have rear leaf springs anymore anyway. You would think as long as the tow rating was respected, it would be ok. But it's right there in the legislation..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odot1 Posted February 14, 2018 Author Share Posted February 14, 2018 Hmmm... Just checked the thread quickly. Seems that was on the old FS site... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puzzleboy Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Now you gotta get off your butt, find it, and repost it! Hard to believe it was that long ago..... sucks that we couldn't keep all that old info. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slow Joe Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 It is a bit of a relief to know Iam not the only one that is not sure whats legal.LOL Joe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odot1 Posted February 14, 2018 Author Share Posted February 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Puzzleboy said: Now you gotta get off your butt, find it, and repost it! Hard to believe it was that long ago..... sucks that we couldn't keep all that old info. Yeah... I'm not even getting paid for this shit!!!!!! Well.. other than the internal warm fuzzy feeling of helping you guys (not Zoso though.. or F7Ben)!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puzzleboy Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Don't damage that shoulder with overzealous keystrokes! Zoso always said you guys were way overpaid anyway..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoney Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 The double towing thing I thought or recall had something to do with the first trailer attached had to be a 5'er, than a boat or second trailer attached to the rear of the 5'er. I honestly do not think any 1/2 ton trucks actually have the payload rating to really support the pin weight of a 5'er, so that puts you into the 3/4 & 1 ton range......but some are crazy enough to listen to the trailer and truck sales people who suggest a 1/2 ton does have the ratings.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puzzleboy Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Sean, can you post up the regs for double towing, if you have them? Would be a good read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odot1 Posted February 15, 2018 Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Puzzleboy said: Sean, can you post up the regs for double towing, if you have them? Would be a good read. So I've looked and all I can find is a reference to an MTO publication Part 6 addressing this issue. It reads: "Towing More Than One VehicleCars, passenger vans and SUVs are not permitted to tow more than one trailer or one vehicle. Motor homes, trucks, pickup trucks and truck campers are legally permitted to tow two trailers or a trailer and a motor vehicle behind a trailer. However, a three vehicle combination that is swaying excessively, is unstable or has reduced handling capabilities is subject to action by the police as an unsafe combination of vehicles under the Highway Traffic Act.The maximum length of any combination of vehicles is 23 m (75' 6")." Having said that... I can't find the actual publication any more. This was back in 2010. I will try to get more solid and factual info for you guys... Sean Edited February 15, 2018 by odot1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slow Joe Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) Very much appreciated Odot1 thanks for taking the time to answer this question I have been considering this for some time as wanting to haul the fishin craft along with the utv pretty sure the ole General could pull them but although I have great respect for our law enforcement I like to keep visits not unlike the inlaws down to a minimum preferably non existent so runnin under the radar is the order of the day.Stealth Joe Edited February 15, 2018 by Slow Joe 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) What are the legalities of someone flying a drone over private property? Edited February 16, 2018 by revrnd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odot1 Posted February 16, 2018 Author Share Posted February 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, revrnd said: What are the legalities of someone flying a drone over private property? Certainly not my area of expertise...but we did talk about this last summer at work. Hers the regs... below 90 m above the ground at least 30 m away from vehicles, vessels and the public (if your drone weighs over 250 g and up to 1 kg) at least 75 m away from vehicles, vessels and the public (if your drone weighs over 1 kg and up to 35 kg) at least 5.5 km away from aerodromes (any airport, seaplane base or area where aircraft take off and land) at least 1.8 km away from heliports or aerodromes used by helicopters only outside of controlled or restricted airspace at least 9 km away from a natural hazard or disaster area away from areas where its use could interfere with police or first responders during the day and not in clouds within your sight at all times within 500 m of yourself only if clearly marked with your name, address and telephone number You are exempt from these rules if you are at a field or event approved by the Model Aeronautics Association of Canada. Basically...unless you live in a rural setting you're kinda stuck ans have to venture out somewhere. This is all "policed" by Transport Canada and they would be responsible for administer fines. The lesser stuff can be fined up to $3000. The major stuff...such as endangering an aircraft can get you up $25000 in fines. AND.. beware of trespassing laws, the new voyeurism laws etc.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odot1 Posted February 16, 2018 Author Share Posted February 16, 2018 12 hours ago, Slow Joe said: Very much appreciated Odot1 thanks for taking the time to answer this question I have been considering this for some time as wanting to haul the fishin craft along with the utv pretty sure the ole General could pull them but although I have great respect for our law enforcement I like to keep visits not unlike the inlaws down to a minimum preferably non existent so runnin under the radar is the order of the day.Stealth Joe Thanks for the kind words Joe.....and lmfao at the inlaw comparison!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Thanks Sean. A chap I know was telling me about someone (he's assuming his neighbour from hell) flying their drone over his acreage checking out his gravel pit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odot1 Posted February 16, 2018 Author Share Posted February 16, 2018 Just now, revrnd said: Thanks Sean. A chap I know was telling me about someone (he's assuming his neighbour from hell) flying their drone over his acreage checking out his gravel pit. Gotta love neighbours!! I've heard of guys shooting the drones down with shotguns... but if caught you're kinda screwed with firearms charges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, odot1 said: Gotta love neighbours!! I've heard of guys shooting the drones down with shotguns... but if caught you're kinda screwed with firearms charges. Skeet shooting perhaps? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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