All,

As in the previous FS I am willing to lend my expertise like any others on this forum.  I will attempt to answer any and all relevant question you have regarding sleds, ATVs and general enforcement.  Be aware..this is not official OPP communication nor is it legal advice.  Its simply my opinion based on experience as a police officer.  For those unaware I've spent the past 10yrs working in the Snowmobile ATV Vessel Enforcement team (SAVE) and have built up a lot of experience, met many of the original members and I think we all had benefitted from the questions shared on here.  Hopefully the mods will pin this thread.  All I ask is that this thread not turn into a police bashing thread...  If that happens I will not be able to continue.  Feel free to bash away, just not in this thread please. 

 

Sean

On ‎11‎/‎25‎/‎2018 at 8:38 AM, Algonquin Rider said:

Hey back to the drone thingy.

On this one................at least 5.6 km away from aerodromes (any airport, seaplane base or area where aircraft take off and land

So does that mean any Lake where sea planes land and take off is not allowed or just a designated Aerodrome Lakes?

Thanks

It has to be an actual designation, signed etc...  Example..  Ottawa river (above and below rapids in Ottawa) are several planes.  But no actual base or designation (charts do show some areas).  Parry Sound.  There is a base and designated areas for the float planes.  You'd be safe in Ottawa but PS would be a different matter.  Saying that however, it is always the responsibility of the drone pilot to ensure his/her drone does not cause interference or safety issues with air traffic.  If you are in a "clear zone" but see aircraft in the area.  That aircraft has the right of way and you must ground your drone. 

Good to go?

 

 

Edited November 27, 20187 yr by dirtybeacher
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Funny, was just discussing this very thing on Saturday. It's manufactured to be operated on snow, it's registered as an MSV and you have a trail pass.  Good to go.  Ohhh...need your insurance card!!!    

Edited November 27, 20187 yr by odot1

2 minutes ago, odot1 said:

Funny, was just discussing this very thing on Saturday. It's manufactured to be operated on snow, it's registered as an MSV and you have a trail pass.  Good to go.  Ohhh...need your insurance card!!!    

Ya, the internet blew up over this one on the weekend. 🤣  

The anti bike crowd can settle down though, there’s only 35 of these units in can/Usa. 

Whats unfair is that the only difference between this bike, and my bike, is who assembled it.  ☹️

5 minutes ago, dirtybeacher said:

Ya, the internet blew up over this one on the weekend. 🤣  

The anti bike crowd can settle down though, there’s only 35 of these units in can/Usa. 

Whats unfair is that the only difference between this bike, and my bike, is who assembled it.  ☹️

Yeah, really don't expect to see too many in my travels. Let us know how it goes!  

7 minutes ago, odot1 said:

Yeah, really don't expect to see too many in my travels. Let us know how it goes!  

That’s not my bike. 

But im tempted to buy one, if only I didn’t have 20k sunk into my current one. 

 

Ahhh...  toys are freakin expensive!

Hey Sean, sorry to hear about the tough last week you guys have had to endure. I see that the young sledder that went thru the ice on Sand Lake was found. How is the other young kid that hit the gate doing ?

I,m starting to see rumors about the OPP using aerial patrol on sled trails this coming winter.

Can you shed some light on this ? If this is true, what is the real purpose ? Hopefully it isn,t to catch speeders. If so, it could be the last straw for a lot of sledders, that are just needing one more area to be hassled, to finally give up the sport for good.

41 minutes ago, Frostynuts said:

Hey Sean, sorry to hear about the tough last week you guys have had to endure. I see that the young sledder that went thru the ice on Sand Lake was found. How is the other young kid that hit the gate doing ?

I,m starting to see rumors about the OPP using aerial patrol on sled trails this coming winter.

Can you shed some light on this ? If this is true, what is the real purpose ? Hopefully it isn,t to catch speeders. If so, it could be the last straw for a lot of sledders, that are just needing one more area to be hassled, to finally give up the sport for good.

Thanks Frosty, appreciate that!  Last I heard the young man was still fighting for life. He'll never be the same again regardless.  

As for the rumour, I've honestly never heard if this!  I can't even imagine what benefit it would bring or how it'd even work.  In order to run air patrols you need a dedicated fleet on the ground to chase down and pull over any violators. Not something we do on sleds. When I say fleet... usually 6 or more cruisers.  Air enforcement is costly, to be an effective and efficient use of this resource you need a target rich environment such as a 400 series hwy.  Searching for missing sledders, def use our aircrafts... 

Sean

Awesome, nice to put these rumors to bed. Still hoping to meet you guys on the trails somewhere this winter, hopefully without your radar gun. LOL. 

2 minutes ago, Frostynuts said:

Awesome, nice to put these rumors to bed. Still hoping to meet you guys on the trails somewhere this winter, hopefully without your radar gun. LOL. 

LMFAO!!!!  Indeed!!!

Odot 1 could you please clarify how the revised drinking and driving law works in regards to being at home and having a  beverage within the two hours after arriving ,with no intention of leaving is this still touchy ground Iam not understanding this new law completely,I may be a old souse but when Iam in for the day and sleds are in the garage I mix up one or more of my favorite beverages and feet up by the fire just sayin.Joe 

4 hours ago, Slow Joe said:

Odot 1 could you please clarify how the revised drinking and driving law works in regards to being at home and having a  beverage within the two hours after arriving ,with no intention of leaving is this still touchy ground Iam not understanding this new law completely,I may be a old souse but when Iam in for the day and sleds are in the garage I mix up one or more of my favorite beverages and feet up by the fire just sayin.Joe 

Good, valid question.  The basis behind the new law is to prevent the "home free" defence generally used  when the driver is impaired and involved in an incident but makes it home before police can intercept at which point they down a huge amount of booze and claim they hot drunk at AFTER whatever incident they were involved in.  Just like the removal of reasonable suspicion for the roadside test, the public really isn't going to notice any difference in how police operate.  No one will be breaking down your door to demand breath samples.  Nothing is changing in how we operate.  

That makes things much clearer the media grabs this and it blows out of context and I just needed to hear it from your side,Iam not going to be hiding behind my chesterfield doors locked T.V off listening for Goose stepping squads marching up to my front door LOL life as normal thanks Odot1.Joe

Sean it is my understanding Police would also need a warrant to enter the home, the home owner can simply not answer the door if they choose.  Is that correct

Edited January 10, 20197 yr by Poncho

Also, imo, there is another thought to this new law, it addresses the CARDing situation.  Gag bangers now are fully aware they can be stopped at anytime.  This, I think was the hidden agenda behind the new law.....that will never be disclosed.

Just now, Poncho said:

Sean it is my understanding Police would also need a warrant to enter the home, the home owner can simple not answer the door if they choose.  Is that correct

That was the OLD way and the reason behind this change. There were some major incidents where the driver made it home and did the whole "I got drunk at home AFTER I ran over that little girl". Police would need a warrant in most cases to get in.  This law removes that process (for now as it will be challenged).  But as I said, the reality is...nothing will really change on how we do things unless you're that less than 1% that gets involved in this.  

25 minutes ago, Slow Joe said:

That makes things much clearer the media grabs this and it blows out of context and I just needed to hear it from your side,Iam not going to be hiding behind my chesterfield doors locked T.V off listening for Goose stepping squads marching up to my front door LOL life as normal thanks Odot1.Joe

What the media blowing things out of proportion.....how can that be?

Edited January 10, 20197 yr by Poncho

Lmao Poncho I read today a youth killed in a Tesla auto crashed doing 115 mph in a 30 zone and the family is suing Tesla WTF is that all about if you are such a Fuc**** moron to put all innocent people at risk that are out and about then you deserve what ya get how is it that it is the cars fault so what next someone shoots somebody and sues the gun manufacture what a world we now live in thankfully Iam at the tail end of life it was a good run in thirty more years what will it be like, I give a lot of credit to the Odots out there I couldn't do their job without going postal.Joe

Sean, a quick question.

If a person is required to have an interlock placed in their car can the drive a snowmobile or operate a boat with out one?

Thanks Tin

21 minutes ago, tinman said:

Sean, a quick question.

If a person is required to have an interlock placed in their car can the drive a snowmobile or operate a boat with out one?

Thanks Tin

I would think you are prohibited from driving anything but the vehicle that has the lockout.

1 hour ago, DAVE said:

I would think you are prohibited from driving anything but the vehicle that has the lockout.

That was my answer to him, but you never know unless you ask the pro. 

Just now, tinman said:

That was my answer to him, but you never know unless you ask the pro. 

Well you are under suspension from driving still technically....just not the vehicle with the lockout.

So i would say no you cant drive anything else.

A google search probably give you an answer as well.

1 hour ago, tinman said:

Sean, a quick question.

If a person is required to have an interlock placed in their car can the drive a snowmobile or operate a boat with out one?

Thanks Tin

 

1 hour ago, DAVE said:

I would think you are prohibited from driving anything but the vehicle that has the lockout.

 

1 minute ago, tinman said:

That was my answer to him, but you never know unless you ask the pro. 

Sorry for delay guys, 

So right off the top, a prohibition order would have to include vessel in order to prevent driving a boat.  But you guys are talking about interlock.  So, interlock is required in a vehicle and on a sled.  If you were operating an ATV on a roadway,  you require a drivers licence. So if you have the interlock condition attached to said licence you need the interlock while on the roads.  Your drivers licence is NOT a requirement for operating a vessel and therefore no interlock is required.  Hope this clears it up.

Thanks, I will let him know. And no it isn't me.