The Myth of NATO Provocations

[spin_dry]

 

[Jimmy Snacks]

Good watch...hopefully some here  paid attention.

“Those who blame NATO aren’t wrong....they’re stupid.” 
 

BTW if what he says about some of the Russian oil production projects is accurate it really points out just now lacking they are in education and technology...can’t gst the oil out of the ground without western help.

Edited April 15, 2022 by Jimmy Snacks

[spin_dry]

1 hour ago, Jimmy Snacks said:

Good watch...hopefully some here  paid attention.

“Those who blame NATO aren’t wrong....they’re stupid.” 
 

BTW if what he says about some of the Russian oil production projects is accurate it really points out just now lacking they are in education and technology...can’t gst the oil out of the ground without western help.

I didn't know this but Russia has a huge shopping mall culture. Kinda weird, but it's true. The malls have been hollowed out by the sanctions and western companies pulling. End result is Russia's service industry has taken a big hit as in unemployment from shops closing.

[f7ben]

Yah....NATO never provoked Russia ever

fucking morons

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/us-army-russia-border-war-games-world-cup-2018-nato-ukraine-a8398361.html?amp

[DriftBusta]

8 minutes ago, f7ben said:

Yah....NATO never provoked Russia ever

fucking morons

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/us-army-russia-border-war-games-world-cup-2018-nato-ukraine-a8398361.html?amp

wtf guy.  We're supposed to pussy foot around Russia, and not show them that NATO stands in solidarity with their member countries?  I think not.

[Anler]

12 minutes ago, f7ben said:

Yah....NATO never provoked Russia ever

fucking morons

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/us-army-russia-border-war-games-world-cup-2018-nato-ukraine-a8398361.html?amp

NATO's entire existence is for war with Russia. Shall we compare how many places on the earth NATO has staged weapons pointed at Russia compared to countries Russia has militarized against NATO countries? And the Monroe Doctrine doesnt even allow Russia to occupy ANY space for any reason in the western hemisphere. Or else... war. 

[Mainecat]

6 minutes ago, Anler said:

NATO's entire existence is for war with Russia. Shall we compare how many places on the earth NATO has staged weapons pointed at Russia compared to countries Russia has militarized against NATO countries? And the Monroe Doctrine doesnt even allow Russia to occupy ANY space for any reason in the western hemisphere. Or else... war. 

Serious dude?

[Angry ginger]

Just now, Mainecat said:

Serious dude?

Name one thing not true about what he said   

[DriftBusta]

1 minute ago, Anler said:

NATO's entire existence is for war with Russia. Shall we compare how many places on the earth NATO has staged weapons pointed at Russia compared to countries Russia has militarized against NATO countries? And the Monroe Doctrine doesnt even allow Russia to occupy ANY space for any reason in the western hemisphere. Or else... war. 

Oh horse shit.  Come on guy.  Lets not forget who the aggressors are.  If Russia was so fucking noble, they could form their own alliance to protect their members sovereign borders.  Did you guys forget WWII and why NATO was formed?

[DriftBusta]

Just now, Angry ginger said:

Name one thing not true about what he said   

Why was NATO founded?

The North Atlantic Alliance was founded in the aftermath of the Second World War. Its purpose was to secure peace in Europe, to promote cooperation among its members and to guard their freedom – all of this in the context of countering the threat posed at the time by the Soviet Union. The Alliance’s founding treaty was signed in Washington in 1949 by a dozen European and North American countries. It commits the Allies to democracy, individual liberty and the rule of law, as well as to peaceful resolution of disputes. Importantly, the treaty sets out the idea of collective defence, meaning that an attack against one Ally is considered as an attack against all Allies. The North Atlantic Treaty Organization – or NATO – ensures that the security of its European member countries is inseparably linked to that of its North American member countries. The Organization also provides a unique forum for dialogue and cooperation across the Atlantic.

[Highmark]

Claiming NATO isn't a provocateur to Russia is like claiming the US isn't one in the Middle East. 

JFK and the US flipped out when Russia placed weapons in Cuba.   How close does NATO have offensive weapons to Russia?

 

Edited April 15, 2022 by Highmark

[Anler]

1 minute ago, DriftBusta said:

Why was NATO founded?

The North Atlantic Alliance was founded in the aftermath of the Second World War. Its purpose was to secure peace in Europe, to promote cooperation among its members and to guard their freedom – all of this in the context of countering the threat posed at the time by the Soviet Union. The Alliance’s founding treaty was signed in Washington in 1949 by a dozen European and North American countries. It commits the Allies to democracy, individual liberty and the rule of law, as well as to peaceful resolution of disputes. Importantly, the treaty sets out the idea of collective defence, meaning that an attack against one Ally is considered as an attack against all Allies. The North Atlantic Treaty Organization – or NATO – ensures that the security of its European member countries is inseparably linked to that of its North American member countries. The Organization also provides a unique forum for dialogue and cooperation across the Atlantic.

It says it right in your post you dummy

[Angry ginger]

1 minute ago, DriftBusta said:

Why was NATO founded?

The North Atlantic Alliance was founded in the aftermath of the Second World War. Its purpose was to secure peace in Europe, to promote cooperation among its members and to guard their freedom – all of this in the context of countering the threat posed at the time by the Soviet Union. The Alliance’s founding treaty was signed in Washington in 1949 by a dozen European and North American countries. It commits the Allies to democracy, individual liberty and the rule of law, as well as to peaceful resolution of disputes. Importantly, the treaty sets out the idea of collective defence, meaning that an attack against one Ally is considered as an attack against all Allies. The North Atlantic Treaty Organization – or NATO – ensures that the security of its European member countries is inseparably linked to that of its North American member countries. The Organization also provides a unique forum for dialogue and cooperation across the Atlantic.

yes so just like he said its purpose is war with the Soviet Union

[Anler]

5 minutes ago, Mainecat said:

Serious dude?

 

4 minutes ago, Angry ginger said:

Name one thing not true about what he said   

 

4 minutes ago, DriftBusta said:

Oh horse shit.  Come on guy.  Lets not forget who the aggressors are.  If Russia was so fucking noble, they could form their own alliance to protect their members sovereign borders.  Did you guys forget WWII and why NATO was formed?

 

[Anler]

Just now, Angry ginger said:

yes so just like he said its purpose is war with the Soviet Union

I said Russia but yeah back then it was the Soviet Union. No endorsement of the commies from me, they are no less of an occupying force than the allies are... 

Its like some of you never read a history book

[Anler]

Shall we compare the history of occupations of NATO countries? 

[DriftBusta]

1 minute ago, Highmark said:

Claiming NATO isn't a provocateur to Russia is like claiming the US isn't one in the Middle East. 

 

NATO isn't committing war crimes or invading anyone.

2 minutes ago, Anler said:

It says it right in your post you dummy

Oh really?  I think some of you guys struggle with history and rely on your googles, throw in a healthy dose of cynicism, and next thing you know you're blaming NATO for Russia invading a sovereign country and committing war crimes.

[akvanden]

3 minutes ago, Angry ginger said:

yes so just like he said its purpose is war with the Soviet Union

It's purpose is is to defend itself against Russian aggression. Can you imagine a situation in which NATO invades Russia and annexes its territory? Can you imagine a situation when Russia invades other countries. Oh wait....

[DriftBusta]

4 minutes ago, Angry ginger said:

yes so just like he said its purpose is war with the Soviet Union

wrongo.   Its to provide defense against the Soviet Union, which to this day still has an expansionist agenda.

[Anler]

Just now, DriftBusta said:

NATO isn't committing war crimes or invading anyone.

Oh really?  I think some of you guys struggle with history and rely on your googles, throw in a healthy dose of cynicism, and next thing you know you're blaming NATO for Russia invading a sovereign country and committing war crimes.

Id wipe the floor with you over history. War crimes? Seriously? NATO countries lead the list by alot when it comes to war crimes. 

[Angry ginger]

3 minutes ago, Anler said:

I said Russia but yeah back then it was the Soviet Union. No endorsement of the commies from me, they are no less of an occupying force than the allies are... 

Its like some of you never read a history book

russia USSR soviet union,  all the same thing.  

[f7ben]

19 minutes ago, DriftBusta said:

wtf guy.  We're supposed to pussy foot around Russia, and not show them that NATO stands in solidarity with their member countries?  I think not.

You are a fucking retard. Your entire way of thinking is retarded. I can’t help you anymore. 

[DriftBusta]

4 minutes ago, Anler said:

I said Russia but yeah back then it was the Soviet Union. No endorsement of the commies from me, they are no less of an occupying force than the allies are... 

Its like some of you never read a history book

Seriously, tell us all about your educational credentials as it relates to the history of WWII.   Come on, you need to drop that "I'm here to educate all you rubes" trope, you do it often.  

[Angry ginger]

1 minute ago, DriftBusta said:

wrongo.   Its to provide defense against the Soviet Union, which to this day still has an expansionist agenda.

we spent almost 50 years staring at each other with both our triggers on the nukes.  call it defense but it's still all about war.   

[Highmark]

12 minutes ago, DriftBusta said:

NATO isn't committing war crimes or invading anyone.

Oh really?  I think some of you guys struggle with history and rely on your googles, throw in a healthy dose of cynicism, and next thing you know you're blaming NATO for Russia invading a sovereign country and committing war crimes.

 

11 minutes ago, akvanden said:

It's purpose is is to defend itself against Russian aggression. Can you imagine a situation in which NATO invades Russia and annexes its territory? Can you imagine a situation when Russia invades other countries. Oh wait....

Doesn't change the fact that its mere existence creates tension and greatly contributed to the money spent during the cold war.  There are lots of reports that NATO promised Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union there would be no further eastward expansion then added 14 more countries that direction.   If that's not a provocation then what is.  SMH. 

Funny how when we or NATO builds up the military its for "defense" but when anyone else does its offense.    

Edited April 15, 2022 by Highmark