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1 minute ago, f7ben said:

Quite the conundrum 

Yes it is.  

I never thought I would learn anything dumber than the Indians killed off the buffalo on this site until today. Trumps $1800.00 total stimulus payments and $600.00 per week enhanced UEI had nothing to do with inflation but Biden's $1400.00 and $300.00 did.

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1 minute ago, 1jkw said:

Yes it is.  

I never thought I would learn anything dumber than the Indians killed off the buffalo on this site until today. Trumps $1800.00 total stimulus payments and $600.00 per week enhanced UEI had nothing to do with inflation but Biden's $1400.00 and $300.00 did.

This amstech fucking retard is definitely a dupe 

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14 minutes ago, 1jkw said:

No backpedal whatsoever, You voted for the greatest spender in history and yet cry about spending.

And you’re under the impression the leftists with shrillery would have spent less? :lol:

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9 minutes ago, Sleepr2 said:

And you’re under the impression the leftists with shrillery would have spent less? :lol:

No I am not, I simply don't know and neither do you, likely she would have, it's speculation either way, what is FACT is Trump out spent every other presidents first term and spent nearly as much as Obama's 8 years and you still voted for him and more of his reckless spending, so lets  not hear anymore crying from you about spending.

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Just now, 1jkw said:

No I am not, I simply don't know and neither do you, likely she would have, it's speculation either way, what is FACT is Trump out spent every other presidents first term and spent nearly as much as Obama's 8 years and you still voted for him and more of his reckless spending, so lets  not hear anymore crying from you about spending.

So you have no point other than “ trump did it”.  

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21 minutes ago, Sleepr2 said:

So you have no point other than “ trump did it”.  

Yes the point is you cried and cried about spending then voted twice for the greatest spender in history.  

Quit crying about spending you voted for it.

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1 hour ago, 1jkw said:

Yes the point is you cried and cried about spending then voted twice for the greatest spender in history.  

Quit crying about spending you voted for it.

How much of that spend was covid and the leftists wishlist? 
 

Heres was the liberal wishlist:

 

1. Corporate pay statistics by race and race statistics for all corporate boards at companies receiving assistance

2. Bailing out all current debt of postal service

3. Required early voting

4. Required same day voter registration

5. 10k a student bailout for student loans 

6. For companies accepting assistance, 1/3 of board members must be chosen by workers 

7. Provisions on official time for union collective bargaining

8. Full offset of airline emissions by 2025

9. Greenhouse gas statistics for individual flights 

10. Retirement plans for community newspaper employees

11. $15 minimum wage at companies receiving assistance

12. Permanent paid leave at companies receiving assistance

13. Limits ICE and Border Patrol 

14. Extend immigrant visas and work permits

15. Block denying funds to sanctuary cities 

16. Money to conduct risk limiting audits of elections to states

17. $300,000,000 for “Migration and Refugee Assistance”

18. $35,000,000 for the JFK performing arts center.

19. $278,000,000 for the IRS

20. $7,000,000 for one specific DC charter school, Gallaudet University

21. $90,000,000 for an HIV program

22. $36,000,000 for National Advancement of Translation Sciences

23. Howard University gets a $23,000,000 handout

24. $33,200,000 to National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration 

25. Funding for Wifi hotpots and iPads

26. $300,000,000 for the Corporation for public broadcasting. 

27. $500,000,000 for the Institute of Museum and Library Services.

28. $1,000,000 for the Sergeant at Arms and Doorkeeper of the Senate.

29. Expansion of Minority Banks and Minority credit unions

30. If Federal agencies use any banks owned by white men, they are gone to have to justify it

31. $300,000,000 worth of food and then redistribute it.

32. Oversite and accountability committee has to be formed.

33. $100,000,000 for NASA  

34. $100,000,000 for “Construction and Environmental Compliance”?

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8 minutes ago, Sleepr2 said:

How much of that spend was covid and the leftists wishlist? 
 

Heres was the liberal wishlist:

 

1. Corporate pay statistics by race and race statistics for all corporate boards at companies receiving assistance

2. Bailing out all current debt of postal service

3. Required early voting

4. Required same day voter registration

5. 10k a student bailout for student loans 

6. For companies accepting assistance, 1/3 of board members must be chosen by workers 

7. Provisions on official time for union collective bargaining

8. Full offset of airline emissions by 2025

9. Greenhouse gas statistics for individual flights 

10. Retirement plans for community newspaper employees

11. $15 minimum wage at companies receiving assistance

12. Permanent paid leave at companies receiving assistance

13. Limits ICE and Border Patrol 

14. Extend immigrant visas and work permits

15. Block denying funds to sanctuary cities 

16. Money to conduct risk limiting audits of elections to states

17. $300,000,000 for “Migration and Refugee Assistance”

18. $35,000,000 for the JFK performing arts center.

19. $278,000,000 for the IRS

20. $7,000,000 for one specific DC charter school, Gallaudet University

21. $90,000,000 for an HIV program

22. $36,000,000 for National Advancement of Translation Sciences

23. Howard University gets a $23,000,000 handout

24. $33,200,000 to National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration 

25. Funding for Wifi hotpots and iPads

26. $300,000,000 for the Corporation for public broadcasting. 

27. $500,000,000 for the Institute of Museum and Library Services.

28. $1,000,000 for the Sergeant at Arms and Doorkeeper of the Senate.

29. Expansion of Minority Banks and Minority credit unions

30. If Federal agencies use any banks owned by white men, they are gone to have to justify it

31. $300,000,000 worth of food and then redistribute it.

32. Oversite and accountability committee has to be formed.

33. $100,000,000 for NASA  

34. $100,000,000 for “Construction and Environmental Compliance”?

Every spending bill is loaded with pork. Not just the democrat ones. It's fucking shameful. 

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Just now, Anler said:

Every spending bill is loaded with pork. Not just the democrat ones. It's fucking shameful. 

The main narrative SHOULD be actual campaign finance reform and term limits.  It would cure most of what is destroying the country right now.  We're talking about everything but that...

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Just now, DriftBusta said:

The main narrative SHOULD be actual campaign finance reform and term limits.  It would cure most of what is destroying the country right now.  We're talking about everything but that...

There is alot of things that should be done but it's all lip service from those on the hill. Washington is just a giant pile of money. 

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21 minutes ago, Sleepr2 said:

How much of that spend was covid and the leftists wishlist? 
 

Heres was the liberal wishlist:

 

1. Corporate pay statistics by race and race statistics for all corporate boards at companies receiving assistance

2. Bailing out all current debt of postal service

3. Required early voting

4. Required same day voter registration

5. 10k a student bailout for student loans 

6. For companies accepting assistance, 1/3 of board members must be chosen by workers 

7. Provisions on official time for union collective bargaining

8. Full offset of airline emissions by 2025

9. Greenhouse gas statistics for individual flights 

10. Retirement plans for community newspaper employees

11. $15 minimum wage at companies receiving assistance

12. Permanent paid leave at companies receiving assistance

13. Limits ICE and Border Patrol 

14. Extend immigrant visas and work permits

15. Block denying funds to sanctuary cities 

16. Money to conduct risk limiting audits of elections to states

17. $300,000,000 for “Migration and Refugee Assistance”

18. $35,000,000 for the JFK performing arts center.

19. $278,000,000 for the IRS

20. $7,000,000 for one specific DC charter school, Gallaudet University

21. $90,000,000 for an HIV program

22. $36,000,000 for National Advancement of Translation Sciences

23. Howard University gets a $23,000,000 handout

24. $33,200,000 to National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration 

25. Funding for Wifi hotpots and iPads

26. $300,000,000 for the Corporation for public broadcasting. 

27. $500,000,000 for the Institute of Museum and Library Services.

28. $1,000,000 for the Sergeant at Arms and Doorkeeper of the Senate.

29. Expansion of Minority Banks and Minority credit unions

30. If Federal agencies use any banks owned by white men, they are gone to have to justify it

31. $300,000,000 worth of food and then redistribute it.

32. Oversite and accountability committee has to be formed.

33. $100,000,000 for NASA  

34. $100,000,000 for “Construction and Environmental Compliance”?

All signed by one man your hero, the orange god Trump.

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20 minutes ago, DriftBusta said:

The main narrative SHOULD be actual campaign finance reform and term limits.  It would cure most of what is destroying the country right now.  We're talking about everything but that...

I used to be a proponent of term limits but unless we get the lobbyists and special interest money out of Washington the term limits are worthless 

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21 minutes ago, 1jkw said:

All signed by one man your hero, the orange god Trump.

I have some friends using their down time to dissect this...here is what has been added into the stimulus bill

$100,000,000 to Nasa, because, who knows why.

$20,000,000,000 to the USPS, because why the hell not

$300,000,000 to the Endowment for the Arts / because screw it

$300,000,000 for the Endowment for the Humanities/ because no one even knew that was a thing

$15,000,000 for Veterans Employment Training / for when the GI Bill isn't enough

$435,000,000 for mental health support / thats a lot of suicide hotlines

$30,000,000,000 for the Department of Education stabilization fund/ because that will keep people employed

$200,000,000 to Safe Schools Emergency Response to Violence Program

$300,000,000 to Public Broadcasting / NPR has to be bought by the dems

$500,000,000 to Museums and Libraries / Who the hell knows how we are going to use it

$720,000,000 to Social Security Admin / but get this only 200,000,000 is to help people. The rest is for admin costs

$25,000,000 for Cleaning supplies for the Capitol Building / I kid you not it's on page 136

Still reading through this crap

$7,500,000 to the Smithsonian for additional salaries

$35,000,000 to the JFK Center for performing Arts

$25,000,000 for additional salary for House of Representatives

$3,000,000,000 upgrade to the IT department at the VA

$315,000,000 for State Department Diplomatic Programs

$95,000,000 for the Agency of International Development

$300,000,000 for International Disaster Assistance

$300,000,000 for Migrant and Refugee Assistance pg 147

$90,000,000 for the Peace Corp pg 148

$13,000,000 to Howard University pg 121

9,000,000 Misc Senate Expenses pg 134

$100,000,000 to Essential Air carriers pg 162 This of note because the Airlines are going to need billions in loans to keep them afloat. $100,000,000 is chump change

$40,000,000,000 goes to the Take Responsibility to Workers and Families Act. This sounds like it's direct payments for workers. Pg 164

$1,000,000,000 Airlines Recycle and Save Program pg 163

$25,000,000 to the FAA for administrative costs pg 165

$492,000,000 to National Railroad Passenger Corporation (Amtrak) pg 167

$526,000,000 Grants to Amtrak to remain available if needed through 2021 pg 168 (what are the odds that doesn't go unused)

Hidden on page 174 the Secretary has 7 days to allocate the funds & notify Congress

$25,000,000,000 for Transit Infrastructure pg 169

$3,000,000 Maritime Administration pg 172

$5,000,000 Salaries and Expensive Office of the Inspector General pg 172

No voter ID to get a ballot, & anonymous “ballot harvesting” pg 650

$2,500,000 Public and Indian Housing pg 175

$5,000,000 Community Planning and Development pg 175

$2,500,000 Office of Housing

$1,500,000,000 Tenant-Based Rental Assistance Office of Public and Indian Housing. 1,000,000,000 of which can be used as "additional administrative and other expenses". pg 176

$720,000,000 to the public housing fund pg 177

$100,000,000 for Community Block Grants for Native Americans pg 183

$250,000,000 for Housing Block Grants for Tribes pg 182

$130,000,000 for AIDS Housing pg 185

$20,000,000 of which goes to one time grantees whatever the hell that means pg 186

$15,000,000,000 for the Community Development Fund pg 188

Only $10,000,000 of which is set aside for infrastructure for fighting infectious disease pg 191

$5,000,000,000 in Homeless Assistance pg 193

$100,000,000,000 for Rental Assistance - pg 198

An additional $7,000,000 enforce the Fair Housing Act - 203

Paid Family Leave for Sickness is 2 paid work weeks pg 213

Emergency Family Leave

Now applies to all employers not just companies over 500 employees pg 208

Guarantees paid leave to employees who have an in-law who gets sick pg 209

Opens up leave for some you are in a "committed relationships with" pg 212

$1,000,000,000 for more Obamaphones!

This shows me that they don't really think this is a big deal. Business as usual. Use a crisis to rob us blind.

Still reading......

$227,000,000 for grants to States for youth

2 activities pg 80

$261,000,000 for grants to States for dislocated worker employment and training activities, including supportive services and needs-related payments; pg 80

$10,000,000 for Migrant and Seasonal

Farmworker programs...WTF??

$100,000,000 for ‘‘Job Corps’’,

$15,000,000 for ‘‘Program Administration’’,

$6,500,000, to the ‘‘Wage and Hour Division’’,

$30,000,000, to OSHA

$10,000,000 for Susan Harwood training grants

$1,300,000,000, for ‘‘Primary Health Care’’,

$75,000,000, for ‘‘Student Aid Administration’’,

$9,500,000,000, for ‘‘Higher Education’’,

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1 hour ago, Sleepr2 said:

How much of that spend was covid and the leftists wishlist? 
 

Heres was the liberal wishlist:

 

1. Corporate pay statistics by race and race statistics for all corporate boards at companies receiving assistance

2. Bailing out all current debt of postal service

3. Required early voting

4. Required same day voter registration

5. 10k a student bailout for student loans 

6. For companies accepting assistance, 1/3 of board members must be chosen by workers 

7. Provisions on official time for union collective bargaining

8. Full offset of airline emissions by 2025

9. Greenhouse gas statistics for individual flights 

10. Retirement plans for community newspaper employees

11. $15 minimum wage at companies receiving assistance

12. Permanent paid leave at companies receiving assistance

13. Limits ICE and Border Patrol 

14. Extend immigrant visas and work permits

15. Block denying funds to sanctuary cities 

16. Money to conduct risk limiting audits of elections to states

17. $300,000,000 for “Migration and Refugee Assistance”

18. $35,000,000 for the JFK performing arts center.

19. $278,000,000 for the IRS

20. $7,000,000 for one specific DC charter school, Gallaudet University

21. $90,000,000 for an HIV program

22. $36,000,000 for National Advancement of Translation Sciences

23. Howard University gets a $23,000,000 handout

24. $33,200,000 to National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration 

25. Funding for Wifi hotpots and iPads

26. $300,000,000 for the Corporation for public broadcasting. 

27. $500,000,000 for the Institute of Museum and Library Services.

28. $1,000,000 for the Sergeant at Arms and Doorkeeper of the Senate.

29. Expansion of Minority Banks and Minority credit unions

30. If Federal agencies use any banks owned by white men, they are gone to have to justify it

31. $300,000,000 worth of food and then redistribute it.

32. Oversite and accountability committee has to be formed.

33. $100,000,000 for NASA  

34. $100,000,000 for “Construction and Environmental Compliance”?

You love spending so much this must make you happy.

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13 hours ago, f7ben said:

I thought Biden killed all the leases and we are short supply and need a pipeline? How is it we are pumping as much as Trump ever did?

You are a shameless fucking mouth breathing partisan 

I'm not sure what the rest of the country is doing but i drive through a major portion of the bakken every week for work and most wells are just sitting. Very few actually pumping. A couple years ago they were all pumping and water/oil trucks everywhere. The highways turned to mud from all the traffic on them. Today there's nothing even close to that level of activity

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5 minutes ago, Cat45 said:

I'm not sure what the rest of the country is doing but i drive through a major portion of the bakken every week for work and most wells are just sitting. Very few actually pumping. A couple years ago they were all pumping and water/oil trucks everywhere. The highways turned to mud from all the traffic on them. Today there's nothing even close to that level of activity

Give it two weeks 

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6 minutes ago, f7ben said:

Give it two weeks 

I'm hoping it cranks up. High oil prices obviously suck for the consumer but my rates generally keep up with the fuel increase and the available work goes crazy. Last time the bakken was booming it was the wild west for trucking. 

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