The Bullshit Never Stops

[Jimmy Snacks]

These people are shameless.🤣

 

[SHADOSPRIT]

Oh I thought by the title it was about mainecat spouting off again!

[Skidooski]

Russia acquires more and more ground when a Dem is in the White House   

[spin_dry]

1 minute ago, Skidooski said:

Russia acquires more and more ground when a Dem is in the White House   

And completes 95% of the Nord Stream pipeline while a republican is in office. 

[EvilBird]

48 minutes ago, SHADOSPRIT said:

Oh I thought by the title it was about mainecat spouting off again!

At this point they are basically the same . 

[Snake]

1. None of the present mess happened when Donald Trump was president.

2. Vladimir Putin played by the rules of international comity throughout the Trump years.

3. Biden came in, demonstrated his and Antony Blinken’s foreign affairs chops in Afghanistan, and the whole house of cards came crashing down.

[Skidooski]

2 minutes ago, spin_dry said:

And completes 95% of the Nord Stream pipeline while a republican is in office. 

Pipeline > War

[Snake]

[Snake]

[spin_dry]

27 minutes ago, Skidooski said:

Pipeline > War

The Trump administration used sanctions more than any previous administration. He rearranged the geopolitical map by consolidating energy and economic alliances of perceived American adversaries. Nice job Trump. You brought people together.  

[Skidooski]

5 minutes ago, spin_dry said:

The Trump administration used sanctions more than any previous administration. He rearranged the geopolitical map by consolidating energy and economic alliances of perceived American adversaries. Nice job Trump. You brought people together.  

And yet no Russian invasions nor did Trump get us involved in any conflicts   

[EvilBird]

[Bontz]

1 hour ago, Snake said:

1. None of the present mess happened when Donald Trump was president.

2. Vladimir Putin played by the rules of international comity throughout the Trump years.

3. Biden came in, demonstrated his and Antony Blinken’s foreign affairs chops in Afghanistan, and the whole house of cards came crashing down.

Notice the crickets to this post?  Facts tend to shut people up 

[Highmark]

1 hour ago, spin_dry said:

And completes 95% of the Nord Stream pipeline while a republican is in office. 

Need we remind you of the US mined Uranium Hillary and Obama sold to Russia?

[Highmark]

3 hours ago, Jimmy Snacks said:

These people are shameless.🤣

 

Since you like the Hill.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/397212-president-trump-is-tougher-on-russia-in-18-months-than-obama-in-eight

President Trump is tougher on Russia in 18 months than Obama in eight years

Even though the left-wing media will never give him credit, President TrumpDONALD TRUMPOvernight Health Care — Judge deals setback for surprise billing rulesSidney Powell must comply with nonmonetary sanctions, court rulesScott's agenda spurs backlash from Democrats, GOP alikeMORE has been far tougher on Russia than his predecessor, Barack Obama.

For starters, it was President Obama who, according to Reuters, was “caught on camera” saying to a Russian leader that he’ll have more flexibility after the election — not President Trump.

The fact is, President Trump has been quite tough on Russia.

 

So much so, the sanctions resemble a Russian nesting doll: one sanction of top of another, on top of another.

Just last April, the Trump administration imposed new sanctions on Russia — including strict sanctions on seven of Russia’s richest individuals and 17 top government officials for their interference in our elections.

The sanctions directly penalized President Vladimir Putin’s inner circle by prohibiting them from traveling to the United States ever again. He did this by opening a bank account in the West, preventing them from doing business with the West and prohibiting anyone else to do business on their behalf.

The sanctions were significant — among the toughest sanctions ever placed on individuals in a foreign country, with the exception of perhaps Iran and North Korea. Yet like many of Trump’s successes, it received minimal mainstream media coverage.

During his first month in office in January 2017, President Trump upheld strict sanctions to punish Russia for its unlawful 2014 annexation of Crimea. With those sanctions, the Trump administration punished more than three dozen individuals and organizations that were behind the invasion of Ukraine.

Even Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin had a hand in the actions, stating that there would be no easing of the sanctions until Russia meets its obligations under the 2015 Minsk agreement — the ceasefire agreement between Russia and Ukraine.

In August 2017, Trump signed a bill slapping even more sanctions on Russia — this time specifically aimed at the country’s energy and defense industries. Congress made the legislation Trump-proof, meaning that no executive order could ever undo such sanctions; yet Trump signed it anyway.

In fact it was Trump — not Obama — who ordered the closure of Russian diplomatic properties in San Francisco, Washington, D.C., and New York City that appeared to be a threat to American security.

It was also President Trump who shuttered the Russian consulate in Seattle.

To be sure, Obama kicked 35 Russian diplomats out of the country after suspected election meddling by Russia, but only after Trump won the 2016 election. It is questionable whether he would have done so had Hillary Clinton succeeded in being the victor.

Furthermore, it was President Trump who led the world in expelling Russian diplomats after the Russian government was suspected of carrying out a nerve agent attack in the United Kingdom against one of their former spies. President Trump moved swiftly to expel 60 Russian diplomats from U.S. soil, and other countries followed suit by expelling dozens as well.

In addition to stringent sanctions, President Trump has also called out Russia publicly.

During a landmark speech last year in Poland, Trump lambasted Russia for using oil to hold NATO’s Eastern European countries hostage. Trump underscored the dangers of those countries’ dependence on Russian oil deliveries to keep their people warm during the winter, leading to their inability to criticize Russia the rest of the year.

The Trump administration even offered to help identify alternative energy sources for the region. Trump’s remarks on European soil was the energy industry equivalent of Reagan’s “tear down that wall” speech.

Compare all of the above actions to Obama’s milquetoast policy on Russia and outright appeasement on issues such as the “red line” that Russia blew right past in Syria. Obama’s lackluster track record with Russia is in stark contrast to the Trump administration that has already, in its first 18 months, surpassed what Obama did over a total of eight years.

[Highmark]

More.

https://freebeacon.com/blog/7-times-trump-tougher-russia-obama/

1. Missile Defense

The Trump administration is developing a new road-mobile, ground-launched missile in direct response to Russia, which violated a Cold War arms treaty by developing a medium-ranged cruise missile. The defense authorization bill signed by President Trump last month devoted $25 million to developing the missile, which the administration said will "show the world America means business."

 

"The Obama administration worked unsuccessfully to persuade the Kremlin to stand down the program," Time reported. "Now the Trump administration has decided to respond with a missile of its own."

The Trump administration is also vastly expanding the U.S. missile defense system, with plans to build "two $1-billion radar installations and adding 20 rocket interceptors to the 44 already deployed in underground silos at Ft. Greely in Alaska and at Vandenberg Air Force Base in California."

By contrast, one of Obama's first foreign policy moves in office was to abandon the missile defense shield in Poland and the Czech Republic, which was a "cause of celebration in Moscow."

Instead, the Obama administration "pursued a NATO-centric approach," which built a ground-based missile defense system in Romania that launched in 2016. Obama was responsible for delaying missile defense in Europe for nearly a decade.

2. Killing Russians in Syria

 

The Trump administration has repeatedly bombed pro-Assad forces in Syria, something the Obama administration was unwilling to do. Obama allowed Assad, backed by Russia and Iran, to cross his "red line." Aspiring novelist Ben Rhodes has now admitted Obama stayed out of the Syrian civil war because intervention would have made the nuclear deal with Iran impossible to achieve.

Recently, U.S. forces killed dozens of Russians fighting for the Syrian regime, a stark contrast to Obama's "hands-off" approach.

3. Arming Ukraine 

Late last year the Trump administration approved the sale of lethal defensive weapons to Ukraine, prompting Moscow to complain that Trump had "crossed the line."

Obama refused to provide lethal aid to Ukraine, choosing instead a policy of appeasement after Russia invaded the country in 2014.

 

The Obama administration's initial response: a hashtag and selfie. Obama lectured Putin he was acting "not out of strength but out of weakness" by sending troops and tanks into Crimea.

Even after the invasion, Obama was secretly reaching out to Russia to "forge a new working relationship."

"Our theory of this all along has been, let's see what's there," a senior Obama administration official said, "regardless of the likelihood of success."

4. Expanding Sanctions 

The Trump administration has expanded the sanctions placed against Russia for its occupation of Crimea to "38 new individuals and companies, including two Russian officials," and imposed new sanctions against Russians for human rights violations under the Magnitsky Act.

 

Obama's sanctions, on the other hand, for Russia's attempts to interfere in the 2016 election were "so narrowly targeted that even those who helped design them describe their impact as largely symbolic," according to the Washington Post.

5. Closing Russian Diplomatic Facilities

The Trump administration took a "bold step," according to ABC News, by expelling Russian diplomats and shutting down Russian diplomatic facilities, in response to Putin expelling hundreds of U.S. diplomats from Russia.

The State Department ordered the closure of the Russian consulate general in San Francisco, a chancery annex in Washington, D.C., and a consular annex in New York City. Obama only closed two diplomatic facilities in retaliation for election interference.

6. Undermining Russian Energy Policy

Trump has also irked Moscow with his "energy dominance" strategy. Trump has negotiated deals with Poland and Ukraine to import natural gas, coal, and crude oil from the United States. Because of the imports, Poland will no longer deal with the Russian state-owned Gazprom in the future.

 

A personal meeting between Trump and Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko led to a deal to import U.S. coal for the first time.

In contrast, the Obama administration, led by Hillary Clinton's State Department, gave 20 percent of uranium production capacity in the United States to Russia.

7. Disavowing Iran Deal

By disavowing the Iran deal, Trump is also not afraid of defying Russia. Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov said the Kremlin will "not support what the United States is trying to do," by changing the nuclear agreement, because it would be "absolutely unacceptable for Iran."

The approach is in stark contrast to Obama's handling of Russia's alliance with Tehran. Obama made concessions to Russia by vowing to not block their sale of S-300 antiaircraft missiles to Iran in 2010, in exchange for Russian cooperation on international sanctions against Iran.

 

Russia ended up delivering four surface-to-air missile systems six years later, giving Iran a "sophisticated defensive system" that could "help Iran shoot down American or Israeli warplanes should either try to bomb its nuclear facilities."

Obama officials said the concessions the administration gave to Russia in 2010 were "reasonable gestures of confidence as ties improved."

[Highmark]

How about that extremely conservative NPR.    

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/20/630659379/is-trump-the-toughest-ever-on-russia

"There's never been a president as tough on Russia as I have been," Trump told reporters on Wednesday.

That might sound like hyperbole, but in this case, there's actually some basis for the president's boast.

"When you actually look at the substance of what this administration has done, not the rhetoric but the substance, this administration has been much tougher on Russia than any in the post-Cold War era," said Daniel Vajdich, senior fellow at the Atlantic Council.

[Anler]

1 hour ago, spin_dry said:

And completes 95% of the Nord Stream pipeline while a republican is in office. 

Its like a plan or something... 

[Anler]

10 minutes ago, Highmark said:

More.

https://freebeacon.com/blog/7-times-trump-tougher-russia-obama/

1. Missile Defense

The Trump administration is developing a new road-mobile, ground-launched missile in direct response to Russia, which violated a Cold War arms treaty by developing a medium-ranged cruise missile. The defense authorization bill signed by President Trump last month devoted $25 million to developing the missile, which the administration said will "show the world America means business."

 

"The Obama administration worked unsuccessfully to persuade the Kremlin to stand down the program," Time reported. "Now the Trump administration has decided to respond with a missile of its own."

The Trump administration is also vastly expanding the U.S. missile defense system, with plans to build "two $1-billion radar installations and adding 20 rocket interceptors to the 44 already deployed in underground silos at Ft. Greely in Alaska and at Vandenberg Air Force Base in California."

By contrast, one of Obama's first foreign policy moves in office was to abandon the missile defense shield in Poland and the Czech Republic, which was a "cause of celebration in Moscow."

Instead, the Obama administration "pursued a NATO-centric approach," which built a ground-based missile defense system in Romania that launched in 2016. Obama was responsible for delaying missile defense in Europe for nearly a decade.

2. Killing Russians in Syria

 

The Trump administration has repeatedly bombed pro-Assad forces in Syria, something the Obama administration was unwilling to do. Obama allowed Assad, backed by Russia and Iran, to cross his "red line." Aspiring novelist Ben Rhodes has now admitted Obama stayed out of the Syrian civil war because intervention would have made the nuclear deal with Iran impossible to achieve.

Recently, U.S. forces killed dozens of Russians fighting for the Syrian regime, a stark contrast to Obama's "hands-off" approach.

3. Arming Ukraine 

Late last year the Trump administration approved the sale of lethal defensive weapons to Ukraine, prompting Moscow to complain that Trump had "crossed the line."

Obama refused to provide lethal aid to Ukraine, choosing instead a policy of appeasement after Russia invaded the country in 2014.

 

The Obama administration's initial response: a hashtag and selfie. Obama lectured Putin he was acting "not out of strength but out of weakness" by sending troops and tanks into Crimea.

Even after the invasion, Obama was secretly reaching out to Russia to "forge a new working relationship."

"Our theory of this all along has been, let's see what's there," a senior Obama administration official said, "regardless of the likelihood of success."

4. Expanding Sanctions 

The Trump administration has expanded the sanctions placed against Russia for its occupation of Crimea to "38 new individuals and companies, including two Russian officials," and imposed new sanctions against Russians for human rights violations under the Magnitsky Act.

 

Obama's sanctions, on the other hand, for Russia's attempts to interfere in the 2016 election were "so narrowly targeted that even those who helped design them describe their impact as largely symbolic," according to the Washington Post.

5. Closing Russian Diplomatic Facilities

The Trump administration took a "bold step," according to ABC News, by expelling Russian diplomats and shutting down Russian diplomatic facilities, in response to Putin expelling hundreds of U.S. diplomats from Russia.

The State Department ordered the closure of the Russian consulate general in San Francisco, a chancery annex in Washington, D.C., and a consular annex in New York City. Obama only closed two diplomatic facilities in retaliation for election interference.

6. Undermining Russian Energy Policy

Trump has also irked Moscow with his "energy dominance" strategy. Trump has negotiated deals with Poland and Ukraine to import natural gas, coal, and crude oil from the United States. Because of the imports, Poland will no longer deal with the Russian state-owned Gazprom in the future.

 

A personal meeting between Trump and Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko led to a deal to import U.S. coal for the first time.

In contrast, the Obama administration, led by Hillary Clinton's State Department, gave 20 percent of uranium production capacity in the United States to Russia.

7. Disavowing Iran Deal

By disavowing the Iran deal, Trump is also not afraid of defying Russia. Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov said the Kremlin will "not support what the United States is trying to do," by changing the nuclear agreement, because it would be "absolutely unacceptable for Iran."

The approach is in stark contrast to Obama's handling of Russia's alliance with Tehran. Obama made concessions to Russia by vowing to not block their sale of S-300 antiaircraft missiles to Iran in 2010, in exchange for Russian cooperation on international sanctions against Iran.

 

Russia ended up delivering four surface-to-air missile systems six years later, giving Iran a "sophisticated defensive system" that could "help Iran shoot down American or Israeli warplanes should either try to bomb its nuclear facilities."

Obama officials said the concessions the administration gave to Russia in 2010 were "reasonable gestures of confidence as ties improved."

I thought Trump didnt get us in any conflicts? LOL

[Highmark]

Just now, Anler said:

I thought Trump didnt get us in any conflicts? LOL

Did he or were we already there?   Doesn't matter I didn't really agree with all of Trump actions in Syria.

The last 4 incursions/invasion's Russia undertook were under Democrapic Adminstrations.

 

[Anler]

Just now, Highmark said:

Did he or were we already there?   Doesn't matter I didn't really agree with all of Trump actions in Syria.

The last 4 incursions/invasion's Russia undertook were under Democrapic Adminstrations.

 

Obama and McCain funded and trained terrorists in Syria and "unfortunately" left billions in military hardware in Iraq for ISIS to use. And Trump is the hero for killing Russians and Iranian general? LOL yeah that is so they dont get control and the saudis and Israelis could have it. More examples of theft of our sovereignty and wealth for the benefit of others. We have benefited none from our middle eastern oil endeavors and it has costs us greatly. 

[Highmark]

2 minutes ago, Anler said:

Obama and McCain funded and trained terrorists in Syria and "unfortunately" left billions in military hardware in Iraq for ISIS to use. And Trump is the hero for killing Russians and Iranian general? LOL yeah that is so they dont get control and the saudis and Israelis could have it. More examples of theft of our sovereignty and wealth for the benefit of others. We have benefited none from our middle eastern oil endeavors and it has costs us greatly. 

Well that went off track quickly.     I don't disagree with most of that post. 

[spin_dry]

42 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Need we remind you of the US mined Uranium Hillary and Obama sold to Russia?

  that’s a better story than Russiagate. 

[Anler]

2 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Well that went off track quickly.     I don't disagree with most of that post. 

Its not off track its what every war is about, theft. How much are you willing to pay for someone elses wealth? Lets not pretend Trump wasnt a part of that.

[Highmark]

Just now, Anler said:

Its not off track its what every war is about, theft. How much are you willing to pay for someone elses wealth? Lets not pretend Trump wasnt a part of that.

He was and as I stated above I wasn't supportive of some of Trump's moves in the ME.