Gold Member EvilBird Posted January 9, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted January 9, 2022 15 minutes ago, ACE said: They sent the club the video to the clubs fb page and they got blocked What!!!! Fucking bullshit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, ACE said: They sent the club the video to the clubs fb page and they got blocked The club blocked them ? I find that very odd . If shit like that was going down in my parts I would boost it like a ad to be sure every one got word to keep a big eye open Edited January 9, 2022 by Ez ryder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share Posted January 9, 2022 39 minutes ago, Ez ryder said: The club blocked them ? I find that very odd . If shit like that was going down in my parts I would boost it like a ad to be sure every one got word to keep a big eye open They found someone to call. They’re going to fix it RFN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Wtf. That sucks donkey 23 hours ago, jdsky said: Wonder if that was near a fat tire bike trail. The ones who run the fat bike clubs love sledders as the trails are unrideable for them until we come knock the snow down. Easier to ride on snowmobile tracks than fresh groomed stuff even. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 31 minutes ago, Deephaven said: Wtf. That sucks donkey The ones who run the fat bike clubs love sledders as the trails are unrideable for them until we come knock the snow down. Easier to ride on snowmobile tracks than fresh groomed stuff even. Until they start pushing to ban sleds on the trails . Or worse start pushing for shared use on the trails . 98% of the stretchy pants DB have zero idea they are trespassing when on the majority of snomobike trails in MN and don't care . I have confronted a few localy arrogant fucks . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member EvilBird Posted January 10, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Ez ryder said: Until they start pushing to ban sleds on the trails . Or worse start pushing for shared use on the trails . 98% of the stretchy pants DB have zero idea they are trespassing when on the majority of snomobike trails in MN and don't care . I have confronted a few localy arrogant fucks . The ones in VT are total douches ... They Yelled at me and my buddy last year as we came ripping around a corner and 4 of em zig zagging up a hill taking the whole damn trail up...totally ridiculous and stupid to be out there with Sleds IMO. Accident waiting to happen Edited January 10, 2022 by EvilBird 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irv Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, EvilBird said: The ones in VT are total douches ... They Yelled at me and my buddy last year as we came ripping around a corner and 4 of em zig zagging up a hill taking the whole damn trail up...totally ridiculous and stupid to be out there with Sleds IMO. Accident waiting to happen They closed the sled trails last year in the Northumberland forest east of me due to bikers, hikers and day trippers. The forest became full due to the covid lockdowns in the big cities but of course the stupid city council didn't recognize that fact. This year it sounds like they have an agreement in place, however, so I was glad to hear the club got through to them, which, as anyone would know, wouldn't be an easy task. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 15 minutes ago, irv said: They closed the sled trails last year in the Northumberland forest east of me due to bikers, hikers and day trippers. The forest became full due to the covid lockdowns in the big cities but of course the stupid city council didn't recognize that fact. This year it sounds like they have an agreement in place, however, so I was glad to hear the club got through to them, which, as anyone would know, wouldn't be an easy task. So I take it most of your trails up there are on state land,? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irv Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Just now, Ez ryder said: So I take it most of your trails up there are on state land,? A mix of both. Private and public but agreements are in place, or use to be, once winter arrives, or a month out or so, they become property of the snowmobile clubs during the sledding season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 I know in my parts the majority of the trail that is on state owned land in still maintained by the local clubs . Very few MI relitivly speaking of MN trail is maintained by the state . Most is on privet property with land owner agreements that the local clubs secure . I don't even know if a fag tire biker would be covered under the insurance policy the state covers the land owner under after signing a land owner agreement if somthing were to happen ? He'll if I took one out on a privet property sled trail I sure shit would not let my insurance settle with out a legal fight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, irv said: A mix of both. Private and public but agreements are in place, or use to be, once winter arrives, or a month out or so, they become property of the snowmobile clubs during the sledding season. So how is the DNR or who ever is in charge up there allowing bikes on privet poroperty trail? Or have the ability to lock sleds out of the property they the sledders more than likely secured the land owner agreements with in the first place? I know for a fact some of my land owners would lock the gates and drop some trees if they had unauthorized people roaming around there property on bikes and snow shoes . They know who the ones are out brushing there roads keeping bridges maintained keeping gates maintained sending them there land owner certs etc etc . In fact 1 asked us to post no horses no hikers no ski no one but snomobilers from state trail to his property entrance Edited January 10, 2022 by Ez ryder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irv Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, Ez ryder said: I know in my parts the majority of the trail that is on state owned land in still maintained by the local clubs . Very few MI relitivly speaking of MN trail is maintained by the state . Most is on privet property with land owner agreements that the local clubs secure . I don't even know if a fag tire biker would be covered under the insurance policy the state covers the land owner under after signing a land owner agreement if somthing were to happen ? He'll if I took one out on a privet property sled trail I sure shit would not let my insurance settle with out a legal fight I don't believe the gov't maintains, or helps to maintain these trails anytime of the year other than grants once in a while? The thing I heard about the Northumberland trails was the fact city council wanted the sled club to assume all liability. Just a complete asinine and idiotic request/requirement so the club said FU and shut them down waving any responsibility whatsoever. Not that we had a stellar winter by any stretch of the imagination last year, but I'm sure local restaurants, gas stations and others felt the pinch bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irv Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, Ez ryder said: So how is the DNR or who ever is in charge up there allowing bikes on privet poroperty trail? Or have the ability to lock sleds out of the property they the sledders more than likely secured the land owner agreements with in the first place? I know for a fact some of my land owners would lock the gates and drop some trees if they had unauthorized people roaming around there property on bikes and snow shoes . They know who the ones are out brushing there roads keeping bridges maintained keeping gates maintained sending them there land owner certs etc etc . In fact 1 asked us to post no horses no hikers no ski no one but snomobilers from state trail to his property entrance I don't know the details as I'm not involved with any of it, but like you, private land owners can shut things down whenever they want, which seems to be happening more and more every year as more sledders venture off the designated trails. The main forest I ride, the Ganaraska, I know has separate trails for X country skiers and the like but I don't think the Northumberland forest does, hence the problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 minute ago, irv said: I don't believe the gov't maintains, or helps to maintain these trails anytime of the year other than grants once in a while? The thing I heard about the Northumberland trails was the fact city council wanted the sled club to assume all liability. Just a complete asinine and idiotic request/requirement so the club said FU and shut them down waving any responsibility whatsoever. Not that we had a stellar winter by any stretch of the imagination last year, but I'm sure local restaurants, gas stations and others felt the pinch bad. Somthing is off . City coucels or city in general has nothing to do with grant money or insurance typically. I have no doubt a city put pressure on clubs to share trail or some such shit But the norm is the state gives grant in aid money . And that figure is decide at a legislature level . It is usualy a mix of the number of registrations number of trail passes a tiny percentage of the gas tax etc etc . That is divided up by MI of maintained trail usualy by the head state club . Same with insurance for privet land owners that shit is part of the grant in aid package and all done on a legislation level and would be all but impossible to change with out a special session. Now I am talking MN. And pretty much the same in WI and MI . I can only assume has to be the same around you My guess the county was putting pressure on clubs for shared trail access. Getting calls from idiot bikers complaining they were al out run over when they were trespassing etc etc . And club told county fuck you and shut the gates and dropped some trees and said you explain it to your buisnesess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irv Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Ez ryder said: Somthing is off . City coucels or city in general has nothing to do with grant money or insurance typically. I have no doubt a city put pressure on clubs to share trail or some such shit But the norm is the state gives grant in aid money . And that figure is decide at a legislature level . It is usualy a mix of the number of registrations number of trail passes a tiny percentage of the gas tax etc etc . That is divided up by MI of maintained trail usualy by the head state club . Same with insurance for privet land owners that shit is part of the grant in aid package and all done on a legislation level and would be all but impossible to change with out a special session. Now I am talking MN. And pretty much the same in WI and MI . I can only assume has to be the same around you My guess the county was putting pressure on clubs for shared trail access. Getting calls from idiot bikers complaining they were al out run over when they were trespassing etc etc . And club told county fuck you and shut the gates and dropped some trees and said you explain it to your buisnesess Likely things are a lot different up here compared to where you live, but I could be wrong? I found this article but didn't read it, which likely explains what happened during that time? https://www.northumberland.ca/en/news/trails-in-the-county-forest-to-remain-closed-to-snowmobiling-due-to-absence-of-user-agreement.aspx Here's the latest one where they decided to reopen them: https://globalnews.ca/news/8456068/northumberland-county-forest-snowmobile-trails-reopen-after-use-agreement-reached/ And here is their FB website. Likely lots of info in it if you're interested? https://www.facebook.com/northumberlandforest/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 So why was it there? Did they get answers from anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 29 minutes ago, ACE said: Wish I could say I have not had to ride a old M off a mountian with a arms and ski strapped to the tunnel twice lol. That fucker is tough prob just arms shock steering rod. Back on the snow in 2 hrs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bontz Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 @ACE - you mentioned the guy was from Eau Claire. Where was he riding when he hit the cable (I missed it if you posted already). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share Posted January 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, akvanden said: So why was it there? Did they get answers from anyone? The trail crosses some private land. Sounding like an over sight by everyone but that’s a really bad one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share Posted January 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Bontz said: @ACE - you mentioned the guy was from Eau Claire. Where was he riding when he hit the cable (I missed it if you posted already). Said Barron county in our texts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bontz Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 minute ago, ACE said: Said Barron county in our texts Ahhh, okay ... at least that confirms where he was at. I didn't think Barron was open yet, but maybe it was (I haven't looked on the Travel WI site yet). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share Posted January 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, Bontz said: Ahhh, okay ... at least that confirms where he was at. I didn't think Barron was open yet, but maybe it was (I haven't looked on the Travel WI site yet). Sounds like it just opened that day if I’m reading it right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MnDean Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bontz said: Ahhh, okay ... at least that confirms where he was at. I didn't think Barron was open yet, but maybe it was (I haven't looked on the Travel WI site yet). The web site says it closed, I picked my brother up on Friday, he is in Barron county, trails were groomed, but he said they are closed. The gates are open, but trails are closed Edited January 10, 2022 by MnDean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share Posted January 10, 2022 15 minutes ago, MnDean said: The web site says it closed, I picked my brother up on Friday, he is in Barron county, trails were groomed, but he said they are closed. The gates are open, but trails are closed Unless he meant they were open in his area and rode there. I never specifically asked him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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