Green Energy

[racer254]

Right now the average wind farm is about 150 turbines. Each wind turbine needs 80 gallons of oil as lubricant and we're not talking about vegetable oil, this is a PAO synthetic oil based on crude... 12,000 gallons of it. That oil needs to be replaced once a year.

It is estimated that a little over 3,800 turbines would be needed to power a city the size of New York... That's 304,000 gallons of refined oil for just one city.

Now you have to calculate every city across the nation, large and small, to find the grand total of yearly oil consumption from "clean" energy.

Where do you think all that oil is going to come from, the oil fairies?

Not to mention the fact that the large equipment needed to build these wind farms run on petroleum. As well as the equipment required for installation, service, maintenance, and eventual removal.

And just exactly how eco-friendly is wind energy anyway?

Each turbine requires a footprint of 1.5 acres, so a wind farm of 150 turbines needs 225 acres; In order to power a city the size of NYC you'd need 57,000 acres; and who knows the astronomical amount of land you would need to power the entire US. All of which would have to be clear-cut land because trees create a barrier & turbulence that interferes with the 20mph sustained wind velocity necessary for the turbine to work properly (also keep in mind that not all states are suitable for such sustained winds). Boy, cutting down all those trees is gonna piss off a lot of green-loving tree-huggers.

Let's talk about disposal now.

The lifespan of a modern, top quality, highly efficient wind turbine is 20 years.

After that, then what? What happens to those gigantic fiber composite blades?

They cannot economically be reused, refurbished, reduced, repurposed, or recycled so guess what..? It's off to special landfills they go.

And guess what else..? They're already running out of these special landfill spaces for the blades that have already exceeded their usefulness. Seriously! Those blades are anywhere from 120 ft. to over 200 ft. long and there are 3 per turbine. And that's with only 7% of the nation currently being supplied with wind energy. Just imagine if we had the other 93% of the nation on the wind grid... 20 years from now you'd have all those unusable blades with no place to put them... Then 20 years after that, and 20 years after that, and so on.

Golly gee, how green is that?

Oops, I almost forgot about the 500,000 birds that are killed each year from wind turbine blade collisions; most of which are endangered hawks, falcons, owls, geese, ducks, and eagles.

Apparently smaller birds are more agile and able to dart and dodge out of the way of the spinning blades, whereas the larger soaring birds aren't so lucky.

I'm sure the wildlife conservationist folks are just ecstatic about that.

I'm so glad the wind energy people are looking out for the world.

[joe_zrt]

Is that crickets I hear?

[Rod]

Most “green energy” is a farce 

[joe_zrt]

Follow the money...the politician's money 

[ArcticCrusher]

Climate change is another scam like Covid.

 

 

 

[Rod]

The Arctic has been warming since the end of the younger dryas 

Edited November 26, 2021 by ACE

[Mainecat]

That’s why solar is the best.

will power 17,000 homes.

https://www.newscentermaine.com/article/tech/science/environment/new-englands-largest-solar-farm-comes-online/97-0f02ba2e-9261-44e0-8b43-7aaa0ee9f299

 

Edited November 26, 2021 by Mainecat

[Zambroski]

27 minutes ago, Mainecat said:

That’s why solar is the best.

will power 17,000 homes.

https://www.newscentermaine.com/article/tech/science/environment/new-englands-largest-solar-farm-comes-online/97-0f02ba2e-9261-44e0-8b43-7aaa0ee9f299

 

How much of what you use now is solar?  Or, are you waiting for the gubment to do it for you?

[Ez ryder]

1 hour ago, Mainecat said:

That’s why solar is the best.

will power 17,000 homes.

https://www.newscentermaine.com/article/tech/science/environment/new-englands-largest-solar-farm-comes-online/97-0f02ba2e-9261-44e0-8b43-7aaa0ee9f299

 

And lucky for us hunter had his dad pull some strings when he was VP to make sure China had control of the minerals nessisary for energy storage.  

 

[Mainecat]

12 hours ago, Zambroski said:

How much of what you use now is solar?  Or, are you waiting for the gubment to do it for you?

The Grand Wizard speaks.

[p51mstg]

Wow, great post.  I’ve thought of many of those issues, but not all of them.

The Gen IV nuclear plant designs would burn existing nuclear waste as fuel, take up a smaller footprint than existing Gen II nuke plants and would fail safe - no meltdowns.  They have a life span in the multiples, compared to renewables, and provide consistent output regardless of weather.  I think we’re wasting our time with this green bullshit when nuclear can both solve energy needs and potential global warming at the same time.

[p51mstg]

12 hours ago, Mainecat said:

That’s why solar is the best.

will power 17,000 homes.

https://www.newscentermaine.com/article/tech/science/environment/new-englands-largest-solar-farm-comes-online/97-0f02ba2e-9261-44e0-8b43-7aaa0ee9f299

 

Unfortunately, not in Minnesota.  Solar sucks if the sun doesn’t shine, still requires fossil fuels to make, maintain and dismantle, and still has a landfill problem.  It also relies on coal and natural gas generators to keep the grid powered.

One thing I don’t know is how much toxic waste there is for solar panels, does anyone know have information on that.  Are there batteries, even in 5he dream stage, that could handle storage?  I don’t know that, either.

I’m not sure which government agency is doing it, but farmers are able to get money from the feds to put up solar arrays.  Where wind turbines can be farmed around, solar takes productive land completely out of commission.  Still, I see new arrays popping up on productive farm land with regularity.  The government’s payments must be persuasive.

[Zambroski]

50 minutes ago, Mainecat said:

The Grand Wizard speaks.

Was that your answer?

Putz.

32 minutes ago, p51mstg said:

Unfortunately, not in Minnesota.  Solar sucks if the sun doesn’t shine, still requires fossil fuels to make, maintain and dismantle, and still has a landfill problem.  It also relies on coal and natural gas generators to keep the grid powered.

One thing I don’t know is how much toxic waste there is for solar panels, does anyone know have information on that.  Are there batteries, even in 5he dream stage, that could handle storage?  I don’t know that, either.

I’m not sure which government agency is doing it, but farmers are able to get money from the feds to put up solar arrays.  Where wind turbines can be farmed around, solar takes productive land completely out of commission.  Still, I see new arrays popping up on productive farm land with regularity.  The government’s payments must be persuasive.

I’ve told this before here but when I built my house in 2014, I inquired about going somewhat “off grid” with power.  The estimate I got wasn’t even remotely in the ballpark of just hooking up to power and STILL, required fuel gen set.  The ROi was negative because by the time it was starting to pay for itself, the massive maintenance at ten years kills it all, that’s if nothing went wrong until then.

Yuh, a LOOOOOOONG way to go for solar.  Maybe a small cabin using little power but as traditional power in town for those that use daily power items, hmmmm, tough nut to swallow. 

[Ez ryder]

2 hours ago, Mainecat said:

The Grand Wizard speaks.

Pathetic response. But fully expected when any self reflection comes due out of a lemming 

[CFM]

15 hours ago, ACE said:

The Arctic has been warming since the end of the younger dryas 

Also, It has oil fields, which means…..

[Ez ryder]

1 hour ago, Zambroski said:

Was that your answer?

Putz.

I’ve told this before here but when I built my house in 2014, I inquired about going somewhat “off grid” with power.  The estimate I got wasn’t even remotely in the ballpark of just hooking up to power and STILL, required fuel gen set.  The ROi was negative because by the time it was starting to pay for itself, the massive maintenance at ten years kills it all, that’s if nothing went wrong until then.

Yuh, a LOOOOOOONG way to go for solar.  Maybe a small cabin using little power but as traditional power in town for those that use daily power items, hmmmm, tough nut to swallow. 

Some stuff I have seen go in to jobs has been great even after new equipment has come due .  geo thermal is 1 thing I have seen go in to multiple property's I have kept tabs on and all but 1 have zero regrets even after new equipment came due 15 to 20 yrs after the fact .

The 1 had all sorts of issues with the burred pipe . That was a manufacturing issue not the tec it self . Still a bad $$$ messy shit show none the less . And they have been on a standard forced air for yrs now and will never think about going green as long as they live lol.

We rent a sweet place in CO every yr or so . Sled in sled out .  They have to power and heat a 4500sf place on solar and propane.  And they can not run out of propane.  No chance if a delivery from about Oct to late may .

The solar helps but the v6 propane generator dose 90% of the lifting .

And the govenment will not alow a windmill he also attempted for a permit to have a 13 inch diameter pipe 6 foot long with a turbine in it to go in to the river that runs thrugh his property.  Zero chance. 

The fed loves them some green until you really need it that is 

[Zambroski]

17 minutes ago, Ez ryder said:

Some stuff I have seen go in to jobs has been great even after new equipment has come due .  geo thermal is 1 thing I have seen go in to multiple property's I have kept tabs on and all but 1 have zero regrets even after new equipment came due 15 to 20 yrs after the fact .

The 1 had all sorts of issues with the burred pipe . That was a manufacturing issue not the tec it self . Still a bad $$$ messy shit show none the less . And they have been on a standard forced air for yrs now and will never think about going green as long as they live lol.

We rent a sweet place in CO every yr or so . Sled in sled out .  They have to power and heat a 4500sf place on solar and propane.  And they can not run out of propane.  No chance if a delivery from about Oct to late may .

The solar helps but the v6 propane generator dose 90% of the lifting .

And the govenment will not alow a windmill he also attempted for a permit to have a 13 inch diameter pipe 6 foot long with a turbine in it to go in to the river that runs thrugh his property.  Zero chance. 

The fed loves them some green until you really need it that is 

Yeah, government regs are just fantastic.  Also, taxes and fees to “go green” are spectacular.

Theres a long way to go with any source needing either wind or solar.

Also, I think the “misery loves company……Validate my choice” comes into play when asking others about their solar panels.  I’ve heard a lot of bitching about it then, when you ask them if they like it….they just LOVE IT!  (Got a client right now that fits this perfectly). 

Kinda like this whole tankless water heater thing.  I did that and sure, savings in heating costs were nice but, up front costs, service and parts took away from the whole damn experience yet, when you ask anybody, they just RAVE about it.  I’m a hard pass now.  I’ll do water heater with a board I can get parts for at Maynard’s or any plumbing supply shop.  

[Ez ryder]

3 hours ago, Zambroski said:

Yeah, government regs are just fantastic.  Also, taxes and fees to “go green” are spectacular.

Theres a long way to go with any source needing either wind or solar.

Also, I think the “misery loves company……Validate my choice” comes into play when asking others about their solar panels.  I’ve heard a lot of bitching about it then, when you ask them if they like it….they just LOVE IT!  (Got a client right now that fits this perfectly). 

Kinda like this whole tankless water heater thing.  I did that and sure, savings in heating costs were nice but, up front costs, service and parts took away from the whole damn experience yet, when you ask anybody, they just RAVE about it.  I’m a hard pass now.  I’ll do water heater with a board I can get parts for at Maynard’s or any plumbing supply shop.  

So it is like buying a Polaris 800 then 

[Rod]

4 hours ago, CFM said:

Also, It has oil fields, which means…..

Well the land masses used to be in all different areas 

[Ez ryder]

10 hours ago, Mainecat said:

The Grand Wizard speaks.

No he died a few yrs back.  old Joe was sure to make the service.  The jello at the lunch afterward was just a bonus