Revealed: Thousands of double jabbed over 50s have died from COVID in the last 4 weeks

[akvanden]

3 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said:

Do the vaccine work as originally advertised.  No they don't and whatever lame effectiveness they had, seemed to wear out after 4-6 months.  So are you good with getting a booster shot every 4-6 months when natural immunity is far better.

Moderna has an investor presentation and on one slide, this is a 20 year pilot.  

Also the original Pfizer trials of 44000 participants, had 15 deaths in the vaxxed and 14 deaths in the unvaxxed, deaths from all causes, so how does that spell success.  Go look it up.

No, you should have provided your time machine so they could have tested it against the delta variant. Natural immunity doesn't seem to be better though, as shown by higher hospitalization rates. But, you're welcome to keep repeating it. 

[Highmark]

6 minutes ago, akvanden said:

No, you should have provided your time machine so they could have tested it against the delta variant. Natural immunity doesn't seem to be better though, as shown by higher hospitalization rates. But, you're welcome to keep repeating it. 

Link?

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2021/08/31/natural-immunity-offers-better-protection-against-delta-variant-than-mrna-vaccines-study-n2595054

Edited November 15, 2021 by Highmark

[EvilBird]

6 minutes ago, akvanden said:

No, you should have provided your time machine so they could have tested it against the delta variant. Natural immunity doesn't seem to be better though, as shown by higher hospitalization rates. But, you're welcome to keep repeating it. 

Pure Blood FTW ....keep hating on your natural immune system 👌 

[akvanden]

5 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Link?

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2021/08/31/natural-immunity-offers-better-protection-against-delta-variant-than-mrna-vaccines-study-n2595054

IRV link, go back a few posts. The rate of cases/hospitilziation/ICU are much higher in the unvaccinated population. 

Edited November 15, 2021 by akvanden

[Roosting]

1 hour ago, akvanden said:

You make a very compelling case. The unvaccinated aren't allowed in public spaces yet somehow the vaccinated are still spreading it to them. And their odds of getting it are 6x higher. Makes perfect sense. 

Again you misinterpret the statistics. Do you know who is the primary driver for infections?

If you can figure that out then we can move on to the point you are attempting to incorrectly make.

The vax effectiveness to mask symptoms is the problem with the vax. The odds of getting it are exactly the same but severe reactions are indeed higher in unvax up to say 5 months post vax then outcomes start to equal out in severe cases.

 

[Highmark]

5 minutes ago, akvanden said:

IRV link, go back a few posts. The rate of cases/hospitilziation/ICU are much higher in the unvaccinated population. 

Well unvaccinated doesn't necessarily = previous infection.  The massive Israel study looks at this specifically with the Delta variant.  Perhaps you should look at that study before making your claim.   

Edited November 15, 2021 by Highmark

[EvilBird]

1 minute ago, akvanden said:

IRV link, go back a few posts. The rate of cases/hospitilziation/ICU are much higher in the unvaccinated population. 

You are way to emotionally attached to the vaccine dude ...amazing at your age you feel like you need Big Pharma in order to survive ...Sad really. 

[akvanden]

1 minute ago, Roosting said:

Again you misinterpret the statistics. Do you know who is the primary driver for infections?

If you can figure that out then we can move on to the point you are attempting to incorrectly make.

The vax effectiveness to mask symptoms is the problem with the vax. The odds of getting it are exactly the same but severe reactions are indeed higher in unvax up to say 5 months post vax then outcomes start to equal out in severe cases.

 

So your saying the vaccinated are giving it to the unvaccinated...  so should case rates be higher in the vaccinated, since they're the ones spreading and out in public mingling the most?

And I'm sorry, but hospitalizations don't care about who spread the virus, only that you're either vaccinated or not. 

[akvanden]

5 minutes ago, EvilBird said:

You are way to emotionally attached to the vaccine dude ...amazing at your age you feel like you need Big Pharma in order to survive ...Sad really. 

You're very creative.

[EvilBird]

3 minutes ago, akvanden said:

You're very honest.

 

*fixed

 

Edited November 15, 2021 by EvilBird

[ArcticCrusher]

24 minutes ago, akvanden said:

No, you should have provided your time machine so they could have tested it against the delta variant. Natural immunity doesn't seem to be better though, as shown by higher hospitalization rates. But, you're welcome to keep repeating it. 

I don't need a time machine.  Again from the top, the original trials showed zero benefit from the vaccine.

15 vaxxed died compared to 14 unvaxxed, all cause deaths.  Game over.  

[akvanden]

8 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Well unvaccinated doesn't necessarily = previous infection.  The massive Israel study looks at this specifically with the Delta variant.  Perhaps you should look at that study before making your claim.   

Well, then I guess we'll see the vaccinated slowly overtake the unvaccinated in the hospital as delta continues to spread. 

And there's a CDC study was that published, a few weeks ago, if you want to read that too, if you're bored. 

 

[Roosting]

1 hour ago, akvanden said:

So your saying the vaccinated are giving it to the unvaccinated...  so should case rates be higher in the vaccinated, since they're the ones spreading and out in public mingling the most?

And I'm sorry, but hospitalizations don't care about who spread the virus, only that you're either vaccinated or not. 

OMG we might be getting somewhere here but for some reason you disregard it as impossible.

second Bold: so what are the lockdowns supposed to be for? And why are 50% of admissions fully vaxed? Where are they getting infected from? Is it the 15 of 100 people who are not allowed to mingle publicly or the 85 of 100 who are?

 

[ArcticCrusher]

12 minutes ago, EvilBird said:

You are way to emotionally attached to the vaccine dude ...amazing at your age you feel like you need Big Pharma in order to survive ...Sad really. 

Pharma has a history of manufacturing data to promote vaccines and hiding death stats with massive lawsuits to back that, but lets fast forward to present day and ignore it.  Unbelievable who the idiots are.

[akvanden]

2 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said:

I don't need a time machine.  Again from the top, the original trials showed zero benefit from the vaccine.

15 vaxxed died compared to 14 unvaxxed, all cause deaths.  Game over.  

Well, you would need a time machine since you are challenging the original efficacy published and comparing it against delta. Zero benefit. 

[EvilBird]

1 minute ago, akvanden said:

Well, you would need a time machine since you are challenging the original efficacy published and comparing it against delta. Zero benefit. 

bUt ThE dElTa iS sO mUcH mOrE sTrOnGeR!  wE aRe aLl GoNnA dIe!!!!

dR. fAuCi sAvE mEh!!!!!

[Highmark]

27 minutes ago, akvanden said:

Well, then I guess we'll see the vaccinated slowly overtake the unvaccinated in the hospital as delta continues to spread. 

And there's a CDC study was that published, a few weeks ago, if you want to read that too, if you're bored. 

 

Yes the Israel study directly contradicts the CDC study.  

Something to consider from the 2 studies and its pretty clear which can have less accurate results.

Ask yourself this...why hasn't the CDC done a massive study like the on in Israel?   Shouldn't be that tough to complete. 

CDC Kentucky study analyzed 246 people.

Overall, 246 case-patients met eligibility requirements and were successfully matched by age, sex, and date of initial infection with 492 controls. Among the population included in the analysis, 60.6% were female, and 204 (82.9%) case-patients were initially infected during October–December 2020 (Table 1). Among case-patients, 20.3% were fully vaccinated, compared with 34.3% of controls (Table 2). Kentucky residents with previous infections who were unvaccinated had 2.34 times the odds of reinfection (OR = 2.34; 95% CI = 1.58–3.47) compared with those who were fully vaccinated; partial vaccination was not significantly associated with reinfection (OR = 1.56; 95% CI = 0.81–3.01).

Israel study Model 1 16,257.  Model 2 46,035.  Model 3 14,029.   Total 76,321.

1-According to the largest study done comparing effectiveness of natural immunity to fully-vaccinated, natural immunity wins hands down.
(Israel; Pfizer vaccine)https://t.co/aZvJq5lnql pic.twitter.com/HPMGpAO3CB

— Sharyl Attkisson?????? (@SharylAttkisson) August 28, 2021

2-Largest study finds dramatically more Covid-19 hospitalizations among fully-vaccinated compared to previously-infected.
(Israel; Pfizer vaccine) https://t.co/aZvJq5lnql pic.twitter.com/zDZuypg3cJ

— Sharyl Attkisson?????? (@SharylAttkisson) August 28, 2021

The study looked for three outcomes among these populations to measure the efficacy of natural immunity and vaccination: Wuhan coronavirus infection, symptomatic disease, and infection-related hospitalization or death. 

Using three models, researchers conducted what is now the largest real-world observational study comparing natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity:

In model 1 [previously infected vs. vaccinated individuals, with matching for time of first event], we matched 16,215 persons in each group. Overall, demographic characteristics were similar between the groups, with some differences in their comorbidity profile (Table 1a). During the follow-up period, 257 cases of SARS-CoV-2 infection were recorded, of which 238 occurred in the vaccinated group (breakthrough infections) and 19 in the previously infected group (reinfections). After adjusting for comorbidities, we found a statistically significant 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection as opposed to reinfection (P<0.001).

As for symptomatic SARS-COV-2 infections during the follow-up period, 199 cases were recorded, 191 of which were in the vaccinated group and 8 in the previously infected group. Symptoms for all analyses were recorded in the central database within 5 days of the positive RT-PCR test for 90% of the patients, and included chiefly fever, cough, breathing difficulties, diarrhea, loss of taste or smell, myalgia, weakness, headache and sore throat. After adjusting for comorbidities, we found a 27.02-fold risk (95% CI, 12.7 to 57.5) for symptomatic breakthrough infection as opposed to symptomatic reinfection (P<0.001) (Table 2b). None of the covariates were significant, except for age =60 years. Nine cases of COVID-19-related hospitalizations were recorded, 8 of which were in the vaccinated group and 1 in the previously infected group (Table S1). No COVID19-related deaths were recorded in our cohorts.

In model 2 [previously infected vs. vaccinated individuals, without matching for time of first event], we matched 46,035 persons in each of the groups (previously infected vs. vaccinated). Baseline characteristics of the groups are presented in Table 1a. Figure 1 demonstrates the timely distribution of the first infection in reinfected individuals. When comparing the vaccinated individuals to those previously infected at any time (including during 2020), we found that throughout the follow-up period, 748 cases of SARS-CoV-2 infection were recorded, 640 of which were in the vaccinated group (breakthrough infections) and 108 in the previously infected group (reinfections). After adjusting for comorbidities, a 5.96-fold increased risk (95% CI, 4.85 to 7.33) increased risk for breakthrough infection as opposed to reinfection could be observed (P<0.001) (Table 3a). Apart from SES level and age =60, that remained significant in this model as well, there was no statistical evidence that any of the comorbidities significantly affected the risk of an infection. Overall, 552 symptomatic cases of SARS-CoV-2 were recorded, 484 in the vaccinated group and 68 in the previously infected group. There was a 7.13-fold (95% CI, 5.51 to 9.21) increased risk for symptomatic breakthrough infection than symptomatic reinfection (Table 3b). COVID-19 related hospitalizations occurred in 4 and 21 of the reinfection and breakthrough infection groups, respectively. Vaccinated individuals had a 6.7-fold (95% CI, 1.99 to 22.56) increased to be admitted compared to recovered individuals. Being 60 years of age or older significantly increased the risk of COVID-19-related hospitalizations (Table S2). No COVID-19-related deaths were recorded.

In model 3 [previously infected vs. vaccinated and previously infected individuals], we matched 14,029 persons. Baseline characteristics of the groups are presented in Table 1b. Examining previously infected individuals to those who were both previously infected and received a single dose of the vaccine, we found that the latter group had a significant 0.53-fold (95% CI, 0.3 to 0.92) (Table 4a) decreased risk for reinfection, as 20 had a positive RT-PCR test, compared to 37 in the previously infected and unvaccinated group. Symptomatic disease was present in 16 single dose vaccinees and in 23 of their unvaccinated counterparts. One COVID-19-related hospitalization occurred in the unvaccinated previously infected group. No COVID19-related mortality was recorded.

Edited November 15, 2021 by Highmark

[akvanden]

3 minutes ago, Roosting said:

OMG we might be getting somewhere here but for some reason you disregard it as impossible.

second Bold: so what are the lockdowns supposed to be for? And why are 50% of admissions fully vaxed? Where are they getting infected from? Is it the 15 of 100 people who are not allowed to mingle publicly or the 85 of 100 who are?

 

No we're not, because you're contradicting yourself. The vaccinated population doesn't have a higher case rate, yet somehow they're passing it off to the unvaccinated when you're implying they don't mingle publicly. 

 

And then on second bold, you contradict yourself, again. In one sentence you say the vaccinated are giving to the unvaccinated, then say "Hmm, I wonder where they are getting infected from?" as if only the vaccinated can infect the vaccinated and only the unvaccinated can get infected from the vaccinated. 

 

The numbers are the numbers, and most people understand which odds are better, regardless of who they're contracting it from. 15% causing 50% of the cases, or even worse for the other stats, not good. 

[akvanden]

12 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said:

Pharma has a history of manufacturing data to promote vaccines and hiding death stats with massive lawsuits to back that, but lets fast forward to present day and ignore it.  Unbelievable who the idiots are.

How about you just ignore the pharma stuff for a minute and look at what's happening on the ground in your country? IRV posted some really helpful things that show us on a aggregate level what's happening. 

 

Or you can stick to twitter. 

[akvanden]

7 minutes ago, EvilBird said:

bUt ThE dElTa iS sO mUcH mOrE sTrOnGeR!  wE aRe aLl GoNnA dIe!!!!

dR. fAuCi sAvE mEh!!!!!

[ArcticCrusher]

17 minutes ago, akvanden said:

Well, you would need a time machine since you are challenging the original efficacy published and comparing it against delta. Zero benefit. 

 

Watch first, then comment.

 

 

[EvilBird]

3 minutes ago, akvanden said:

Have you gotten your Snowmobile ready for the season yet or you just gonna cry and bitch about Covid and shitty 30% efficacy vaccines for a wholenother year or 3?

 

[ArcticCrusher]

10 minutes ago, akvanden said:

How about you just ignore the pharma stuff for a minute and look at what's happening on the ground in your country? IRV posted some really helpful things that show us on a aggregate level what's happening. 

 

Or you can stick to twitter. 

We are not testing vaxxed anywhere near as much as the unvaxxed.  We are also using a lower PCR cycle test threshold for the vaxxed (28) vs 45 for the unvaxxed.  I hope this helps you understand how the data can be skewed. 

 

[akvanden]

21 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said:

We are not testing vaxxed anywhere near as much as the unvaxxed.  We are also using a lower PCR cycle test threshold for the vaxxed (28) vs 45 for the unvaxxed.  I hope this helps you understand how the data can be skewed. 

 

Perfect, let’s just use the hospitalizations/ICU/death category.

[akvanden]

30 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said:

 

Watch first, then comment.

 

 

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