Rod Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 This shit is insane. Not only that it happened, but on reality it just happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 I’m indifferent about it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racinfarmer Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 (edited) Given the chance, I have no doubt in my mind that today Democrats and liberals/progressives would think twice about doing something similar to those that do not tow their lines. Edited July 1, 2021 by racinfarmer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 1, 2021 Author Share Posted July 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, racinfarmer said: Given the chance, I have no doubt in my mind that today Democrats and liberals/progressives would think twice about doing something similar to those that do not tow their lines. They 100% would. Even listen to how moto talks about how they need to kill everyone that disagrees with their vision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 communism works great until one person decides they don't want to go along with it. Then the whole house of cards collapses. Mao's purges and Stalin's gulags are the natural outgrowth of real, actual, tried and true communism. This whole "real communism has never been tried" trope is bullshit. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 5 hours ago, Matt said: communism works great until one person decides they don't want to go along with it. Then the whole house of cards collapses. Mao's purges and Stalin's gulags are the natural outgrowth of real, actual, tried and true communism. This whole "real communism has never been tried" trope is bullshit. Communism describes a stateless, classless and moneyless society. When has that happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Communism describes a stateless, classless and moneyless society. When has that happened? Never. Because it’s impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 9 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Never. Because it’s impossible. So you're saying actual communism has never been achieved... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 6 hours ago, Matt said: communism works great until one person decides they don't want to go along with it. Then the whole house of cards collapses. Mao's purges and Stalin's gulags are the natural outgrowth of real, actual, tried and true communism. This whole "real communism has never been tried" trope is bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, motonoggin said: So you're saying actual communism has never been achieved... Technically, the definition of anything vying on social construct can only be what it is (or has been) in the world. So, by that, yes…it has been achieved. To claim it works because it hasn’t been achieved is the same as claiming we can all fly if we really set our minds to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Zambroski said: Technically, the definition of anything vying on social construct can only be what it is (or has been) in the world. So, by that, yes…it has been achieved. To claim it works because it hasn’t been achieved is the same as claiming we can all fly if we really set our minds to it. Those are certainly all words. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Those are certainly all words. Words can be painful to many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old indy Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 1 hour ago, motonoggin said: Communism describes a stateless, classless and moneyless society. When has that happened? no way society would function in such a state. name a place/tribe/group ect that functions or functioned without a hierarchy and currency of some sort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 1, 2021 Author Share Posted July 1, 2021 7 hours ago, Matt said: communism works great until one person decides they don't want to go along with it. Then the whole house of cards collapses. Mao's purges and Stalin's gulags are the natural outgrowth of real, actual, tried and true communism. This whole "real communism has never been tried" trope is bullshit. Polpots killing fields too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 1, 2021 Author Share Posted July 1, 2021 1 hour ago, motonoggin said: So you're saying actual communism has never been achieved... Well real as in tangible communism has been tried many times and failed in an atrocious way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 1, 2021 Author Share Posted July 1, 2021 Jim Jones tried getting close to “actual” communism. can’t remember how that turned out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 1 hour ago, motonoggin said: Those are certainly all words. That made me laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 1 hour ago, old indy said: no way society would function in such a state. name a place/tribe/group ect that functions or functioned without a hierarchy and currency of some sort. Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it can't. Humanity is unique amongst all living beings on the planet. We have the power to shape our reality however we like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 1, 2021 Author Share Posted July 1, 2021 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it can't. Humanity is unique amongst all living beings on the planet. We have the power to shape our reality however we like. Also just because it’s possible doesn’t mean it’s probable Way to many human variables. From intellect to competence to ability to personality Hierarchical structure has been around since the dawn of living creatures so the fantasy of “real” communism really goes against nature and even humanity itself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted July 1, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 1, 2021 2 hours ago, motonoggin said: So you're saying actual communism has never been achieved... Communalism has. Didn't turn out so well. Isn't communalism more what you desire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted July 1, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it can't. Humanity is unique amongst all living beings on the planet. We have the power to shape our reality however we like. And what happens when "we" don't all want that form of society? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 1, 2021 Author Share Posted July 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Highmark said: Communalism has. Didn't turn out so well. Isn't communalism more what you desire? He will say because they had a hierarchical structure it wasn’t real communalism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 1, 2021 Author Share Posted July 1, 2021 A neat point about Jonestown is they weren’t allowed to leave lol. Recurring theme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old indy Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 Sure we do, but utopia has been a pipe dream for as long as people have been alive. back here in the real world even the animal kingdom has a hierarchy and those that rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted July 1, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 1, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ACE said: He will say because they had a hierarchical structure it wasn’t real communalism Nothing is stopping him from starting his own commune. See that's the beauty of the system we have today. If you want you can have a place where you practice his form of communism or communalism and once you get going need very little from the outside world. Under his system you can't have what we do today. Problem is there will always be the doers and those that don't. Its human nature. Edited July 1, 2021 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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