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8 hours ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said:

Too bad. Maybe we will get someone with a spine soon. Maybe Trump won't "drain the swamp", but someone sure as shit should. 

Sorry you think your boy Obama gets a pass, but I don't. Not over popularity and mean things that some retard gapped tooth hillbilly on the far right might say. Good cop out and deflection though. 

Good thing Trump will fix all this.  Somehow, I feel you'll be disappointed especially since the guy is planning on massive military spending to "rebuild" your "failing" military.

Massive spending usually leads to massive waste.

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2 hours ago, MiSledder said:

How would clinton of handled it?

same as those before her. I'd really like to have an honest and realistic approach to looking for the waste. no doubt waste exists, it does alot of places. but are some of these numbers derived from "FS like" nimrods, who think a degreed business guy worth $80K a year in the private industry, should be making $40K in gov?

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9 hours ago, Snoslinger said:

same thing everyone else did, and will likely continue to do.

And you still can't understand why Trump was elected.  Maybe in 4 years the dems can put someone forth that won't have decades in Washington politics.

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2 hours ago, Snoslinger said:

careful what you wish for :news: I know quite a bit about your line of work buddy :lol: 

 

I'm hoping to cash in on this infrastructure upgrading. :bc:

I haven't done any work for the military in 2 years.

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14 hours ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said:

Left the curve ball up in the zone. Here is your answer to if Trump is the real deal... Does he fix this.

Agreed, easier for an outsider to do IMHO.

14 hours ago, Mileage Psycho said:

I read the whole story yesterday, DDS Robert Work (who ordered the study) and the Pentagon chiefs feared that cuts to "The Fourth Estate" would result in further cuts in the Pentagon budget, so they buried the study.

The amount of deadbeats sucking on the taxpayers tit via the DOD budget budget is staggering, and even more sickening in how these fucks have repeatedly ignored producing reports with the idea they would wait and let things pass until the next SECDEF came to the position.

DRAIN THE SWAMP!!! 

And its not just in the DoD.  Our entire govt system is wrought with fraud, waste and overlapping spending.  You honestly think there was any incentive for Hillary to dig into this? :lmao: I firmly believe we can cut 15-25% of govt spending without any loss in services.   It just takes the will to get it done.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/04/08/billions-spent-on-duplicate-federal-programs/7435221/

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7 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

Now that we've all agreed that cutting spending is imperative, what do you propose be done about the demand gap created by a drop in spending?

It has to be done, we all agree.  What do you or others think will happen with the spending cuts?  Maybe the spending is the money sent to foreign governments.  Maybe the spending cuts reduce/remove duplication on government services.  What gaps will be caused by reducing foreign spending?

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12 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

Now that we've all agreed that cutting spending is imperative, what do you propose be done about the demand gap created by a drop in spending?

Are you a communist or a socialist?

With waste, fraud and overlapping spending being cut there won't necessarily be a drop in demand at least not to an equal level.  

Cutting taxes and putting more money in the hands of the people will increase demand as they will have more to spend.  

Cutting taxes on companies will mean more money for innovation and growth.

 

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16 minutes ago, racer254 said:

It has to be done, we all agree.  What do you or others think will happen with the spending cuts?  Maybe the spending is the money sent to foreign governments.  Maybe the spending cuts reduce/remove duplication on government services.  What gaps will be caused by reducing foreign spending?

Foreign aid is tiny compared to what we spend on the MIC.

10 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Are you a communist or a socialist?

With waste, fraud and overlapping spending being cut there won't necessarily be a drop in demand at least not to an equal level.  

Cutting taxes and putting more money in the hands of the people will increase demand as they will have more to spend.  

Cutting taxes on companies will mean more money for innovation and growth.

 

Spending is a component of aggregate demand. If you cut taxes for people who will spend it the exact same amount as you cut spending, that would be a net zero change in demand, that's true.

However, we all know that's not how it happens, since, by your own admission, 43% of people don't pay any federal income tax. Many also receive huge tax 'refunds' that supplement their already low income. This is quite obviously not sustainable.

The only sustainable solution, is a rise in wages. 

 

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23 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

Foreign aid is tiny compared to what we spend on the MIC.

Spending is a component of aggregate demand. If you cut taxes for people who will spend it the exact same amount as you cut spending, that would be a net zero change in demand, that's true.

However, we all know that's not how it happens, since, by your own admission, 43% of people don't pay any federal income tax. Many also receive huge tax 'refunds' that supplement their already low income. This is quite obviously not sustainable.

The only sustainable solution, is a rise in wages. 

 

Depends where the taxes are cut and yes you cannot give tax cuts or rebates to people who do not pay them.  This is why I support corp tax cuts more so than individual tax cuts.  Companies have more money for investment and growth.  As the economy grows demands for jobs go up and right in line so do wages.  As the economy and wages grow so do tax receipts.   A good balance is govt spending on things like infrastructure.

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1 minute ago, Highmark said:

Depends where the taxes are cut and yes you cannot give tax cuts or rebates to people who do not pay them.  This is why I support corp tax cuts more so than individual tax cuts.  Companies have more money for investment and growth.  As the economy grows demands for jobs go up and right in line so do wages.

There is no incentive to invest unless there is demand for the product. Aside from efforts to replace workers with robots in order to eliminate the 'liability' of employing human workers, which actually will exert downward pressure on both wages and wage based demand.

There is also no guarantee that investment will be done within our borders. 

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38 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

Foreign aid is tiny compared to what we spend on the MIC.

Spending is a component of aggregate demand. If you cut taxes for people who will spend it the exact same amount as you cut spending, that would be a net zero change in demand, that's true.

However, we all know that's not how it happens, since, by your own admission, 43% of people don't pay any federal income tax. Many also receive huge tax 'refunds' that supplement their already low income. This is quite obviously not sustainable.

The only sustainable solution, is a rise in wages. 

 

Do you have the numbers?  I am sick and tired of using this pathetic excuse.  If it is tiny, then it shouldn't create the gap you are talking about and it won't hurt those countries if we take it away either. 

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1 minute ago, racer254 said:

Do you have the numbers?  I am sick and tired of using this pathetic excuse.  If it is tiny, then it shouldn't create the gap you are talking about and it won't hurt those countries if we take it away either. 

:Face palm:

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24 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

There is no incentive to invest unless there is demand for the product. Aside from efforts to replace workers with robots in order to eliminate the 'liability' of employing human workers, which actually will exert downward pressure on both wages and wage based demand.

There is also no guarantee that investment will be done within our borders. 

We cut corp taxes in Canada and companies didn't reinvest the way our Con gov't figured they would.  They just hoarded cash and it blew a hole in our budget.

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3 minutes ago, racer254 said:

BOOM right?  Oh but it is tiny, that amount is just too small, it won't make a dent.  FFS  Get off of it. 

I wasn't arguing against the elimination of foreign aid, I was merely discounting the effect that it would have on spending, since it is a very small amount compared to the overall budget

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