spin_dry Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — The fiery leader of Minneapolis’ police union has built a reputation of defying the city, long before he offered the union’s full support to the officers charged in George Floyd’s death. When the mayor banned “warrior training” for officers last year, Lt. Bob Kroll said the union would offer the training instead. When the city restricted officers from wearing uniforms at political events, he had T-shirts made to support President Donald Trump. He commended off-duty officers who walked away from a security detail after players on the state’s professional women’s basketball team, the Minnesota Lynx, wore Black Lives Matter T-shirts. And after Floyd’s death, he didn’t hold back as he called unrest in the city a “terrorist movement.” As Minneapolis tries to overhaul its police department in the wake of Floyd’s death, city leaders will collide with a pugnacious and powerful union that has long resisted such change. But that union and Kroll are coming under greater pressure than ever before, with some members daring to speak out in support of change and police leaders vowing to negotiate a contract tougher on bad cops. MORE STORIES: ‒The ESPYS focus on honors, pandemic and racial justice ‒In America’s oldest city, a reckoning over Confederate past ‒NYPD officer in ‘chokehold’ video had prior brutality case Other unions have publicly called for Kroll’s removal, while public opinion polls show more Americans are shifting their views on police violence and believe offending officers are treated too leniently. “People recognize that this just can’t just be half-baked measures and tinkering around the edges in policy reform. What we’re talking about right now is attacking a full-on culture shift of how police departments in Minneapolis and around the nation operate,” Mayor Jacob Frey said. Floyd, a handcuffed Black man, died May 25 after Derek Chauvin, a white officer, used his knee to pin Floyd to the ground. Chauvin has been charged with second-degree murder, third-degree murder and manslaughter. Three other officers were charged with aiding and abetting both second-degree murder and manslaughter. All four officers were fired, but Kroll issued a statement saying they had the union’s full support and warned against rushing to judgment. The Minnesota AFL-CIO and some of the state’s biggest unions called for Kroll to quit. Kroll, whom the Star Tribune reported is planning to step down when his term ends in 2021, hasn’t responded to interview requests. Floyd’s death sparked outrage in Minneapolis and beyond, as protests erupted around the world amid emphatic calls for police reform. In Minneapolis, the first steps are being aimed at the union, long seen as a barrier. Chief Medaria Arradondo said he would withdraw from union contract negotiations to consider structural changes, and Frey is calling on state lawmakers to fix an arbitration process that he said reverses roughly half of police terminations in the state. In an interview Sunday on “60 Minutes,” Arradondo said Kroll is “absolutely ... an influencer.” “He and others are going to have to come to a reckoning that either they are going to be on the right side of history or they’re going be on the wrong side of history… or they will be left behind,”the chief said. Full Coverage:Racial injustice One of the union’s victories happened in 2007, when it persuaded the city to curtail the power of the Minneapolis Civilian Review Authority by shielding from public view a finding that a complaint had been sustained against an officer. The union’s power has consistently stymied change, community leaders say. “It makes it very hard to implement reforms if … the federation is in the background saying, ‘Don’t worry about this, we’ll file a grievance,’” said Steve Fletcher, one of nine City Council members who pledged to revamp the police department. “That sends a strong signal that you can just ignore leadership. That has, over time, created a culture that is very resistant to change.” When the City Council declined last year to put additional officers on the street, Fletcher described police pushback as a “protection racket.” He said business owners began calling him to complain that officers were slowing response times or not resolving issues, and telling businesses to call their council members. Police unions across the country are seen as just as powerful, enshrining protections for officers who have been accused of crimes, including such special privileges as allowing them to wait 24 hours to be interrogated. They also have fought against making public misconduct claims, and traditionally lawmakers have been reticent to battle them over fears of being seen as anti-police. There are signs that the power of police unions may be eroding. In New York, lawmakers passed on party lines a reform bill for the nation’s largest department and others that makes major changes to officer security reviled by the union. In Minneapolis, 14 officers signed an open letter condemning Chauvin, saying they “stand ready to listen and embrace the calls for change, reform and rebuilding.” The move was seen as a big deal for a police department where such public dissent is rare. A recent poll by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research found that when compared with five years ago, more Americans believe police brutality is a very serious problem that unequally targets Black Americans. The poll also found that Americans are far more likely now than they were five years ago to say that police officers who cause injury or death in the course of their job are treated too leniently by the justice system. Allen Berryman, a retired police sergeant and president of the union for most of the 1990s, said the union is doing its job. “People like the idea of due process for themselves when they get arrested ... or anything like that, but they don’t seem to like it” for officers, he said, adding that a lack of progressive discipline by management is part of the problem. In answers to emailed questions from The Associated Press, Assistant Chief Mike Kjos said issues involving discipline are complex and the union’s involvement is just one piece. One hurdle, he said, is that discipline handed out in past cases may be used as precedent for present cases that results in light punishment. “It’s not impossible, but it does present challenges for increased levels of discipline when previous administrations may have operated from a different lens on accountability,” he said. Michael Friedman, who chaired the Civilian Review Authority for three years, said the union’s history of supporting officers “without any common regard for community standards for what policing should be” is a problem “that rightfully frustrates many.” “But it’s also very convenient for others to say, especially right now, ‘Hey, it’s a union problem,’” Friedman said. “And say if we change the union, or get rid of the union, or remove a right or two, that changes everything.” ___ Associated Press writer Doug Glass contributed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 The unions are the problem Spin. But not just the police unions, it's all the public sector entitled scumbag unions, so all of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, ArcticCrusher said: The unions are the problem Spin. But not just the police unions, it's all the public sector entitled scumbag unions, so all of them. police unions are by far the worst and costliest to the taxpayer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, ArcticCrusher said: The unions are the problem Spin. But not just the police unions, it's all the public sector entitled scumbag unions, so all of them. Conflict of interest personified. Exactly. And they've helped to drive many local and state governments into insolvency. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
favoritos Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Mr Glass didn't do the problem justice. There is a big problem in Minneapolis with the culture inside the department. I do believe there is a time and place for unions. Some are needed. Some just plain abuse their power. This union has a problem. It is a big problem that permeates from the top down. Any idea that isn't popular with the union is slow or impossible to implement. The body cams were too inconvenient or too hard to remember turning on. (We know what was being said within membership.) It was pretty amazing how many big cases didn't have footage even after the policy was already in place. Sadly, the truth about using cams is pretty simple. They are not a big deal if you are doing things right. The camera is your friend. There are plenty of examples of officers waiting to say anything until their supervisor told them what to say. Big cases too. No officer account from the scene. They have a bully culture that protects the members inside the circle. You can often see which members are pro union when you watch their interaction with each other and the public. It is too bad. There are some great cops that don't want to play the union game. They signed on to be cops and do the right thing. Pretty tough to do if the union big dogs don't approve. I'd be damn tired of trying myself. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted June 22, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 22, 2020 2 hours ago, ArcticCrusher said: The unions are the problem Spin. But not just the police unions, it's all the public sector entitled scumbag unions, so all of them. 50 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: Conflict of interest personified. Exactly. And they've helped to drive many local and state governments into insolvency. Except the topic is the Minneapolis Police you fucking cunts so save it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Except the topic is the Minneapolis Police you fucking cunts so save it. How so? Dipshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted June 23, 2020 Author Share Posted June 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Except the topic is the Minneapolis Police you fucking cunts so save it. Anything to distract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 13 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Except the topic is the Minneapolis Police you fucking cunts so save it. Whats that you say? Rent free? Fuck off pant load. Your beloved Democrats own this mess. Dumb fuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted June 23, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 23, 2020 Good buddy of mine is a retired criminal investigator. he says " the only thing the union ever did with my money was to protect some piece of shit who never should have been allowed to keep his job " 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 11 hours ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Except the topic is the Minneapolis Police you fucking cunts so save it. And Jimmah the dumbfuck lunges to his knees in defense of unions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 11 hours ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Except the topic is the Minneapolis Police you fucking cunts so save it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted June 23, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 23, 2020 Police unions are a huge problem.....especially in democrap ran cities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 4 hours ago, steve from amherst said: Good buddy of mine is a retired criminal investigator. he says " the only thing the union ever did with my money was to protect some piece of shit who never should have been allowed to keep his job " Ain't it the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted June 23, 2020 Author Share Posted June 23, 2020 The only public union a republican approves are the police unions. It’s been proven time and time again. This thread is a perfect example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted June 23, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, spin_dry said: The only public union a republican approves are the police unions. It’s been proven time and time again. This thread is a perfect example. Who in here is approves police unions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 35 minutes ago, spin_dry said: The only public union a republican approves are the police unions. It’s been proven time and time again. This thread is a perfect example. Every public service union needs the boot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 54 minutes ago, Highmark said: Who in here is approves police unions? He can’t ridicule you until he assigns you a position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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