Are CO2 levels man caused??? Appears not.

[BOHICA]

Despite lockdowns, airplanes grounded, cars parked, people staying home, stores closed, cruise ships parked, cargo ships docked or anchored and such why did CO2 levels in the atmosphere set records???  So much for man made CO2 levels in the atmosphere....

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/05/05/another-record-we-should-not-be-breaking-daily-average-co2-levels-hits-high-41812

Edited May 8, 2020 by BOHICA

[racer254]

6 minutes ago, BOHICA said:

Despite lockdowns, airplanes grounded, cars parked, people staying home, stores closed, cruise ships parked, cargo ships docked or anchored and such why did CO2 levels in the atmosphere set records???  So much for man made CO2 levels in the atmosphere....

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/05/05/another-record-we-should-not-be-breaking-daily-average-co2-levels-hits-high-41812

Will this finally prove the MMGW hoax for what it is?

[irv]

Just now, racer254 said:

Will this finally prove the MMGW hoax for what it is?

No, the alarmists are so deep into this cult they still believe MMGW is real despite one of the very own, in Michael Moore, exposing the truth to them.

It's just like MC, who gets his news from CNN, MSNB and the New York Times, and despite what is right in front of him currently, still thinks those media sources are/were telling him the truth and are unbiased.

As they say, it is easier to fool someone than it is to convince them they have been fooled. 

[Mileage Psycho]

20 minutes ago, BOHICA said:

Despite lockdowns, airplanes grounded, cars parked, people staying home, stores closed, cruise ships parked, cargo ships docked or anchored and such why did CO2 levels in the atmosphere set records???  So much for man made CO2 levels in the atmosphere....

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/05/05/another-record-we-should-not-be-breaking-daily-average-co2-levels-hits-high-41812

 

13 minutes ago, racer254 said:

Will this finally prove the MMGW hoax for what it is?

 

9 minutes ago, irv said:

No, the alarmists are so deep into this cult they still believe MMGW is real despite one of the very own, in Michael Moore, exposing the truth to them.

It's just like MC, who gets his news from CNN, MSNB and the New York Times, and despite what is right in front of him currently, still thinks those media sources are/were telling him the truth and are unbiased.

As they say, it is easier to fool someone than it is to convince them they have been fooled. 

Add up the IQ for the three of you and it doesn't equal that of a grapefruit.

[irv]

1 minute ago, Mileage Psycho said:

 

 

Add up the IQ for the three of you and it doesn't equal that of a grapefruit.

So you still believe in it, Vince? Speaking of grapefruits. 

[BOHICA]

Global shutdown for weeks and months and CO2 levels in the air sets records!!!

[F3600]

Its residual CO2!!

[irv]

1 minute ago, BOHICA said:

Global shutdown for weeks and months and CO2 levels in the air sets records!!!

Doesn't matter. These record cold temps that have been recorded this spring don't matter either, nor does the fact that nothing they have said has ever come true.

MMGW is real and upon us and we only have 12 yrs left. Just ask the brightest advocate in AOC, she'll tell you. 

[Mileage Psycho]

15 minutes ago, irv said:

So you still believe in it, Vince? Speaking of grapefruits. 

 

11 minutes ago, BOHICA said:

Global shutdown for weeks and months and CO2 levels in the air sets records!!!

Why don't you grapefruits try reading something that is actually scientific.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-co2-isnt-falling-more-during-a-global-lockdown/

 

[irv]

5 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said:

 

Why don't you grapefruits try reading something that is actually scientific.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-co2-isnt-falling-more-during-a-global-lockdown/

 

So you still think CO2 is bad and is the true measurement of MMGW because that is what the computer models show? 

Good god, Whince, I thought you were smarter than this. 

Edited May 8, 2020 by irv

[BOHICA]

6 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said:

 

Why don't you grapefruits try reading something that is actually scientific.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-co2-isnt-falling-more-during-a-global-lockdown/

 

That article is annual numbers for a years worth of projected emissions...  doesn’t explain where the CO2 is coming from that is causing us to set daily records currently.

Edited May 8, 2020 by BOHICA

[Highmark]

Simply amazing when the mind goes it goes full on libtard.   No middle ground.   They simply go all in on every issue no matter what.

I'd bet before Vince went liberal because his Chicago boy was running he wouldn't have given two shits about a global warming.....in fact was likely completely the opposite.       Hell he's probably pro gun control now.    

Edited May 8, 2020 by Highmark

[irv]

2 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Simply amazing when the mind goes it goes full on libtard.   No middle ground.   They simply go all in on every issue no matter what.

I'd bet before Vince went liberal because his Chicago boy was running he wouldn't have given two shits about a global warming.....in fact was likely completely the opposite.       

There has to be some mind altering subliminal messages when they watch CNN or MSNBC. I mean, how else do you explain this type of behavior when facts are presented right before them yet they still don't believe them?? It's mind boggling. 

[snoughnut]

Poor Vince, I'm sure you have evidence that Sasquatch exists also. 

[Anler]

The military industrial complex is the largest emitter of greenhouse gases (manmade). The second is Agriculture. Everything thing else including every man woman and child amounts to about 20%

Stop all miltary testing and operations and kill all of the animals and then see what the numbers say... 

[Highmark]

4 minutes ago, Anler said:

The military industrial complex is the largest emitter of greenhouse gases (manmade). The second is Agriculture. Everything thing else including every man woman and child amounts to about 20%

Stop all miltary testing and operations and kill all of the animals and then see what the numbers say... 

I don't believe your claim is accurate.

Edited May 8, 2020 by Highmark

[XCR1250]

40 minutes ago, irv said:

Doesn't matter. These record cold temps that have been recorded this spring don't matter either, nor does the fact that nothing they have said has ever come true.

MMGW is real and upon us and we only have 12 yrs left. Just ask the brightest advocate in AOC, she'll tell you. 

We had 23* this morning, crazy cold for this time of year. Only 34* now.

[Anler]

1 minute ago, Highmark said:

I don't believe your claim is accurate.

There are lots of models. You are using the liberals model. 

[Highmark]

Just now, Anler said:

There are lots of models. You are using the liberals model. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2017/05/08/eisenhowers-military-industrial-complex-shrinks-to-1-of-economy/#3018dfddbed1

Eisenhower's 'Military-Industrial Complex' Shrinks To 1% Of Economy

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/22/business/economy/military-industrial-complex.html

10% of mfg in the US is for defense.  

[Anler]

3 minutes ago, Highmark said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2017/05/08/eisenhowers-military-industrial-complex-shrinks-to-1-of-economy/#3018dfddbed1

Eisenhower's 'Military-Industrial Complex' Shrinks To 1% Of Economy

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/22/business/economy/military-industrial-complex.html

10% of mfg in the US is for defense.  

But what about weapons testing and global warfare? You dont think exploding things, giant warships, tanks, jets, helicopters, missiles emit lots of greenhouse gas? 

[Anler]

I found this but I dont think its accurate. Ive heard that Israel is the 3rd to 5th largest weapons producer and China is now #2. 

China Ranked World’s Second Largest Arms Producer Trailing Behind US

By Thalif DeenReprint |         |  Print | Send by email

Credit: SIPRI

UNITED NATIONS, Jan 27 2020 (IPS) - Donald Trump, the vociferously unpredictable US president, has long chastised China for seeking “unfair” advantage over trade and tariffs, violating intellectual property rights and “manipulating” the country’s currency to its advantage.

But while this blatant political rhetoric has continued ever since Trump assumed office in 2017, the Chinese have steadily built a massive military arsenal — and joined the world’s major players in arms production and arms exports.

In a new report, released January 27, the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), said that China is now the world’s second-largest arms producer, ranking behind the United States and ahead of Russia.

And in 2014-18, the five largest arms exporters were the United States, Russia, France, Germany and China—in that order.

At the United Nations, China is a veto-wielding permanent member of the Security Council, along with the US, UK, France and Russia.

According to SIPRI, China has invested considerably in the modernization of its arm industry since the 1960s, and particularly since 1999.

One of its primary aims is to be self-reliant in the production of advanced weapons and technologies for its armed forces.

However, due to lack of transparency, the value of Chinese arms sales has been either unknown or based on unreliable estimates – until now.

Based on estimated arms sales in 2015–17, SIPRI has identified four major Chinese arms companies as the front-runners.

In 2017, of the 20 largest companies in the SIPRI Top 100, 11 were based in the US, six in Western Europe and three in Russia.

If the four Chinese arms companies, investigated in the study, were included in the top 100, they would all rank among the top 20, with combined estimated arms sales totalling $54.1 billion. Three of the companies would be ranked in the top 10, said SIPRI.

The four have been identified as Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC), China North Industries Corporation (NORINCO), China Electronics Technology Group Corporation CETC) and China South Industries Group Corporation (CSGC).

These companies are ranked behind the world’s four biggest arms producers: Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Northrop Grumman and Raytheon—all based in the US.

Asked whether the quality of Chinese weapons was on par with Western military equipment, Dr Nan Tian, Researcher, Arms and Military Expenditure Programme at SIPRI, told IPS generally there is the opinion that some of the Chinese weapons are still a bit behind in quality as compared to those made by Western countries.

“But we have seen massive improvements in the quality of Chinese weapons,” he added.

“This is also one of the factors why Chinese weapons are considered less expensive than Western alternatives,” he added.

The large buyers of Chinese weapons include Pakistan, Bangladesh, Myanmar and Algeria. “Most of these countries are considered friendly or are allies of China”, he pointed out.

Asked if these sales were tied to Chinese foreign policy and meant to advance political causes, he said: “Yes, indeed it has foreign policy ties, but so is the case with Russia, US and other countries as well.”

Meanwhile, according to the China Power Project at the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), China is also an arms supplier to two other Asian countries, namely Indonesia and Thailand.

In Africa, its arms markets include Algeria, Egypt and Morocco while Chinese weapons have also been used in several military conflicts in the region, including in Sudan, Somalia and the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

Dr Nan said that China, like most other arms suppliers, often provides exports through loans or economic partnerships (i.e. 1st access to certain mineral fields).

On loans, it is common that over the course of the repayment, China will write-off the loan as a form of aid, and thus there will be no need for the buyer to pay back the loan, he explained.

According to SIPRI, the largest of the Chinese companies is Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC), with arms sales totalling $20.1 billion would be sixth largest in the world.

China North Industries Group Corporation (NORINCO), which would be placed eighth in the Top 100, with sales of $17.2 billion, is in fact the world’s largest producer of land systems.

Contrary to most other major global arms producers, SIPRI said, Chinese arms companies specialize primarily in one arms production sector. For example AVIC produces mostly aircraft and avionics.

And most of the large non-Chinese arms companies produce a wider range of military products across different sectors—covering aerospace, land systems and shipbuilding within one company.

According to SIPRI, these new estimates are most likely still an underestimate. A lack of transparency in the arms sales figures of Chinese arms companies continues to hinder a complete understanding of China’s arms industry. This new research, however, acts as an important scoping study that opens the possibility for further research and prepares the ground for a fuller estimate of Chinese arms sales.

*The authors of the report are Dr Nan Tian, Researcher, Arms and Military Expenditure Programme at SIPRI and Fei Su, a Researcher with SIPRI’s China and Asia Security Programme.

[BOHICA]

Daily records being set despite a global shutdown for months...

 

kind of goes against the hypothesis that we can make a difference by buying EV’s

[Highmark]

3 minutes ago, Anler said:

But what about weapons testing and global warfare? You dont think exploding things, giant warships, tanks, jets, helicopters, missiles emit lots of greenhouse gas? 

No I really don't.   Our military emissions and the industry that supply's it pales in comparison to other things.   Look at the amount of massive container ships that cross the oceans each and every day.  

Dude look at just this map then pull up civilian air travel on any given day before the pandemic.   Military vehicles isn't a drop in the bucket by comparison.   Not even close.

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-76.0/centery:36.0/zoom:4

Edited May 8, 2020 by Highmark

[Anler]

4 minutes ago, Highmark said:

No I really don't.   Our military emissions and the industry that supply's it pales in comparison to other things.   Look at the amount of massive container ships that cross the oceans each and every day.  

Dude look at just this map then pull up civilian air travel on any given day before the pandemic.   Military vehicles isn't a drop in the bucket by comparison.   Not even close.

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-76.0/centery:36.0/zoom:4

Just the US military is the 47th largest emitter in the world and is the single largest consumer of oil in the world.  Now add in all of the other countries. 

https://www.tni.org/es/node/22587

https://www.newsweek.com/us-military-greenhouse-gases-140-countries-1445674

And its not just greenhouse gases, the military is the worlds largest polluter. In the countries we brought freedom to that have record increases in jcases of cancer, birth defects and other chronic illnesses

https://theintercept.com/2019/09/15/climate-change-us-military-war/

 

[Highmark]

4 minutes ago, Anler said:

Just the US military is the 47th largest emitter in the world and is the single largest consumer of oil in the world.  Now add in all of the other countries. 

https://www.tni.org/es/node/22587

https://www.newsweek.com/us-military-greenhouse-gases-140-countries-1445674

And its not just greenhouse gases, the military is the worlds largest polluter. In the countries we brought freedom to that have record increases in jcases of cancer, birth defects and other chronic illnesses

https://theintercept.com/2019/09/15/climate-change-us-military-war/

 

47th largest single which pales in comparison when you add up everything else.   The military is 3% of our GDP.  Sorry but I completely disagree with your original statement.      Its ok to simply disagree.  

Edited May 8, 2020 by Highmark