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One of the few fiscal conservatives in DC  

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Out sized sense of his own self-importance. Lawyer. His pro-life stance will be a deal breaker for attracting libs. His opposition to the death penalty will be a deal breaker for attracting conserv

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Actually we don’t need any more over educated idiots in this country who carry student loan debt for 20 + years. We have diminished blue collar workers terribly in this country for the last 25 - 30 ye

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2 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

You asked a question about what i meant about day 1 and i answered, it would have impressed ME more if he had tossed his hat in on day 1.

Does that help? 

The first time I ever heard of him was when he announced he decided to lose all credibility in an Anti-Trump rhetoric move.

He’s never recovered.

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55 minutes ago, Zambroski said:

The first time I ever heard of him was when he announced he decided to lose all credibility in an Anti-Trump rhetoric move.

He’s never recovered.

You’re a fucking retard

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1 hour ago, Zambroski said:

The first time I ever heard of him was when he announced he decided to lose all credibility in an Anti-Trump rhetoric move.

He’s never recovered.

He went all in on the Russian collusion. Stupid. Before that I thought he was spot on about most things. I’d like to see what his plan is for the country, what he’s running on.

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2 hours ago, Edmo said:

He went all in on the Russian collusion. Stupid. Before that I thought he was spot on about most things. I’d like to see what his plan is for the country, what he’s running on.

I don't think so, his point was that Trump committed obstruction during the investigation. I never saw anything that made me think Amash thought Trump actually did collude with Russia. 

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29 minutes ago, SSFB said:

I don't think so, his point was that Trump committed obstruction during the investigation. I never saw anything that made me think Amash thought Trump actually did collude with Russia. 

I’m not going to hunt google but I’m pretty sure he said he was convinced of Russian collusion and also said that Trump committed obstruction and he should be impeached.  But I also think I remember him also saying the whole investigation was a partisan witch hunt somewhat recently.

Clearly, he’s following a spotlight of some sorts.

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1 minute ago, Zambroski said:

I’m not going to hunt google but I’m pretty sure he said he was convinced of Russian collusion and also said that Trump committed obstruction and he should be impeached.  But I also think I remember him also saying the whole investigation was a partisan witch hunt somewhat recently.

Clearly, he’s following a spotlight of some sorts.

As far as I know he wasn't on board with collusion.

He was definitely on board with obstruction and impeachment. 

But he'd be on board with impeachment of past Presidents too. 

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As far as I know he wasn't on board with collusion.

He was definitely on board with obstruction and impeachment. 

But he'd be on board with impeachment of past Presidents too. 

Overall, he doesn’t seem like a bad guy or bad lawmaker but, just kinda flakey to me. He needs to develop a stance and a message real soon.....and stick to it.  The Dems are a mess....it’s a total loss there.  There’s an opening....somebody can fill it if they have some brains about them.

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2 minutes ago, Zambroski said:

Overall, he doesn’t seem like a bad guy or bad lawmaker but, just kinda flakey to me. He needs to develop a stance and a message real soon.....and stick to it.  The Dems are a mess....it’s a total loss there.  There’s an opening....somebody can fill it if they have some brains about them.

His stance is pretty clear if you look at his past words, votes and actions. 

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Out sized sense of his own self-importance.
Lawyer.
His pro-life stance will be a deal breaker for attracting libs.
His opposition to the death penalty will be a deal breaker for attracting conservatives.
Idiotic stances on immigration and terrorism.

He's a very eclectic and odd politician - he has painted himself into a really tiny corner and he's too arrogant to consider the obvious fact that what he's doing is really a waste of time.

Local news said he would have lost his seat anyway so might as well run 

At least he can sound intelligent which is better than what we have 

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Look at all the whiny bitches coming out of the woodwork.

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Michigan Rep. Justin Amash may be an outspoken conservative from a Republican-leaning district, but the launch of his exploratory committee seeking a presidential run was met with swift backlash from supporters of apparent Democratic nominee Joe Biden.

Critics say a third-party bid by Amash, an independent who endeared himself to many Democrats by quitting the Republican Party and voting to impeach President Donald Trump, would likely siphon votes away from Biden in the 2020 election.

 

“I like Justin. I love democracy. But I do think a 3rd party run increases the chances of Trump’s re-election,” tweeted Andrew Yang, a former Democratic presidential primary candidate who has endorsed Biden.

 

 

Trump appeared to agree.

“I think Amash would make a wonderful candidate,” Trump said in a derisive tweet Wednesday, “especially since he is way behind in his district and has no chance of maintaining his Congressional seat.”

“He almost always votes for the Do Nothing Dems anyway. I like him even more than Jill Stein!” Trump added, referring to the former Green Party nominee who won about 1% of the popular vote in the 2016 election, mainly from liberal states.

 

 

 

No, I think Amash would make a wonderful candidate, especially since he is way behind in his district and has no chance of maintaining his Congressional seat. He almost always votes for the Do Nothing Dems anyway. I like him even more than Jill Stein! https://twitter.com/therickwilson/status/1255485246054809608 …

 
 
 
 

 

Amash, who would run on the Libertarian Party ticket, denied that his entree in the race would necessarily take votes away from Biden.

“We don’t know who people will vote for. It’s impossible to say whether more people will vote for Biden or Trump if I’m in the race or not in the race,” Amash said Wednesday morning on MSNBC. “So I think there’s a big factual issue there.”

Amash also pushed back on the notion that Americans have to vote in lockstep with their political parties.

“The way we got Donald Trump is because every Republican who didn’t like Donald Trump was told ... you have to vote for the Republican. Similarly, people are being told today on the Democratic side, you have to vote for Joe Biden and Republicans are being told you have to vote for Donald Trump again,” Amash said. “That’s not the way the system is supposed to work.”

 

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Today, I launched an exploratory committee to seek the @LPNational’s nomination for president of the United States. Americans are ready for practical approaches based in humility and trust of the people.

 

We’re ready for a presidency that will restore respect for our Constitution and bring people together. I’m excited and honored to be taking these first steps toward serving Americans of every background as president.

 
 
 
 

 

But even some of Amash’s self-professed fans call his move “perplexing.” 

Joe Walsh, a former Illinois congressman who had mounted a now-defunct Republican primary challenge against Trump, wrote in a Washington Post op-ed that Amash running for president on a Libertarian ticket is “a terrible idea.”

“Amash can’t win. But he can siphon enough votes from the Democratic nominee, Joe Biden, to hand the election to Trump,” Walsh wrote.

George Conway, a conservative Trump critic and husband of White House advisor Kellyanne Conway, tweeted: “Needless to say, my views align more closely with Amash’s than Biden’s. But the only real effect Amash could have in this campaign is to enhance Trump’s chances. This is a terrible idea.”

 

 
 

 

Amash tweeted later Wednesday that “the visceral outrage” that followed his announcement “speaks volumes about the ugly, hyperpartisan nature of politics today.”

 

 

The visceral outrage of many partisans to giving Americans an additional choice on the ballot speaks volumes about the ugly, hyperpartisan nature of politics today. This is precisely the mindset that needs to be challenged and why this campaign is so critical.

 
 
 
 

 

Michigan-based GOP consultant Saul Anuzis told CNBC that Trump’s opponents may be more hostile to Amash because of the type of campaign Biden is mounting.

“If you’re running an anti-Trump campaign, you’re trying to rally all the forces,” making it problematic when a potentially viable protest vote emerges, Anuzis said.

“When the Republican who walks into the polls says, ‘I really don’t like Trump, but I hate to see what Biden would do instead,’ they can still cast their protest vote for Amash,” Anuzis said. “That’s why Democrats are more fearful.”

The 40-year-old congressman, now on his fifth term in the House — and his first since leaving the GOP in July 2019 — has voted with Trump more than 63% of the time, according to stat blog FiveThirtyEight.

His votes against key Democratic bills such as the Affordable Care Act, and his more recent opposition to funding packages providing economic relief amid the coronavirus crisis, have won him few liberal fans.

But Amash drew national media attention and waves of praise from Democrats last year, when he forcefully argued that former special counsel Robert Mueller’s report on Russian election meddling showed that Trump had “engaged in impeachable conduct.”

Amash was still a Republican at the time.

The special counsel had investigated Russian election interference, as well as possible coordination between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin and possible obstruction of justice by Trump. Mueller said his probe did not uncover evidence of coordination between Russia and the campaign but highlighted multiple instances of possible obstruction of justice by Trump.

In December, Amash voted to impeach Trump on articles of obstruction of Congress and abuse of power, related to the president’s efforts to have Ukraine announce investigations into his Democratic rivals, including Biden.

“President Donald J. Trump has abused and violated the public trust by using his high office to solicit the aid of a foreign power, not for the benefit of the United States of America but instead for his personal and political gain,” Amash said before casting his vote.

The Democrat-led House passed those articles of impeachment along nearly partisan lines. The GOP-majority Senate voted to acquit Trump on both charges.

Amash is facing a tough reelection fight in his Michigan district, which in 2016 had voted for Trump over Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton by nearly 10 percentage points.

His new political affiliation and his frequent attacks against Trump have soured his reputation among establishment Republicans and the groups that typically back GOP candidates. Organizations such as the conservative Club for Growth, one of Amash’s largest backers in past elections, have said they would not support his reelection bid. 

Amash told Reason that he believed he would win his House race, but “I just think this is too important.”

He faces both Republican and Democratic challengers in the 3rd District’s primary but he has a fundraising advantage despite losing some backers.

Even so, Anuzis told CNBC that the congressional race “absolutely” played a role in Amash’s decision to explore a White House bid.

“He has a very good chance of losing” in the district, Anuzis said. “If he’s going to go down, he might as well go down running for president.”

 

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20 minutes ago, Polaris 550 said:

This country has endured 27 years of complete, and utter fuckacious presidential admins. I don't know how much more it can take and survive.  

Don't sell this country short-  we haven't had a really good president going back further than that and somehow we survive.  

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Don't sell this country short-  we haven't had a really good president going back further than that and somehow we survive.  

Yep, America is great in spite of it's Presidents, not because. 

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In the culmination of months of speculation, on Tuesday, Rep. Justin Amash officially launched a third-party presidential bid, seeking the Libertarian Party’s nomination to challenge President Trump and presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden. The Michigan congressman is already coming under fire from both sides, as the establishment moves to swat down a potential disruption to the two-party status quo.

 

“He can’t win! Spoiler! Voting for Amash is just a vote for Biden/Trump!” the partisan agents and tribal loyalists will undoubtedly screech. Even if those charges were true — and they’re not — they wouldn’t actually matter. No one is owed your vote just by virtue of belonging to a party. Fundamentally, a presidential election poses a simple question: Who would be the best president? On that count, Amash is clearly superior to both alternatives.

Joe Biden is a frail septuagenarian who looks like he belongs in a nursing home, not on the campaign trail. I say this not to be cruel or glib, but because the former vice president now truly cannot speak in coherent full sentences half the time, regularly forgets what state he is in, and can’t even get through a television interview articulately — even when he's obviously reading from notes.

The man is past his prime in every way, to say nothing of his, frankly, awful policy agenda.

Biden has arguably the worst foreign policy record of anyone still in mainstream American politics. The mistakes and miscalculations are almost too numerous to count: from his vote and subsequent cheerleading for the failed Iraq War that killed hundreds of thousands, support for unconstitutional military intervention in Syria, and continued commitment to our failed nation-building disaster in Afghanistan. (To his credit, Biden stood against the Obama administration’s intervention in Libya, a position clearly vindicated after our regime change push turned it into a failed state).

So, too, Biden’s domestic policy agenda is an incoherent hodgepodge of massive tax hikes, socialist healthcare-lite, foolish gun control measures, support for campus kangaroo courts and anti-due process policies, and taxpayer-funded abortion on demand —and his tax-and-spend policies, in particular, seem even less sustainable than before, given the pandemic.

Yet even still, perhaps the most frightening element of a prospective Biden presidency is not the man himself, but the increasingly radical Democratic Party types that would fill his administration. As Trump has argued, President Biden would likely be deposited in a nursing home while young ideologues would be allowed to run wild in his White House. Especially given Biden’s overtures to all-out socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders, it’s not hard to imagine a Biden administration featuring Elizabeth Warren, who would defer government choices to transgender children, as Treasury secretary or crooked cop Kamala Harris as attorney general.

Amash would clearly make a much better president than the decrepit corpse of a Democrat establishmentarian who's currently wandering his way to the November election. But we also must view the libertarian-conservative challenger in contrast to Trump, and this is where, for many on the Right, things get more complicated.

It’s understandable that many conservatives, even those who opposed Trump in 2016, have been pleased with the Trump presidency on many counts. He has given us constitutional stalwart Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch, stuck up for due process and basic dignity by standing by Brett Kavanaugh, and filled the lower federal courts with qualified conservative jurists. Trump has also signed into law a mostly good tax cut, and his administration has pursued deregulation, educational freedom, a hands-off approach to hot-button cultural issues such as gay rights, and many other things libertarians and small-government conservatives alike can appreciate.

But the reason Amash is superior to Trump as a presidential prospect comes down to three things: Character, competence, and true commitment to small government.

Even Trump’s backers know he is a fundamentally indecent man. Between the dozens of sexual misconduct allegations against him, his bragging about such conduct, his alleged affair with a porn star, and the never-ending stream of petty insults spewing from his Twitter account, this has long since been made amply clear. Amash, on the other hand, is a fundamentally decent, honest, and respectable man, one whom voters of both parties could truly be proud of and who could model our values to the world.

Whereas Trump deals with criticism through lies, lashing out, and sometimes substantiated but always hyperbolic screeches about “fake news,” the “deep state,” and Never Trumpers, Amash embraces radical transparency. The congressman takes to social media to explain all of his votes and responds to queries with honesty, accountability, and openness about his record.

On the competence front, the divide is even more clear. Trump’s vitriolic and off-the-cuff style certainly has its upsides, but its downsides are too significant to be outweighed. If the coronavirus crisis has shown us anything, it’s that we cannot entrust the leadership of our country, a literal matter of life and death, to a man who must have his name sprinkled into national security reports or he won’t read them and whose lack of discipline leads him to speculate openly at presidential press conferences, at least uselessly, if not dangerously, about whether injecting disinfectant could cure the coronavirus.

Amash offers a serious and competent alternative to Trump. He's also a formidable candidate whom conservatives might actually support, in sharp contrast to the Libertarian Party's unserious and somewhat un-libertarian 2016 ticket.

And don’t forget the most important difference between Trump and Amash — the Libertarian candidate is fully committed to shrinking government. Sure, sometimes small government principles overlap with Trump’s agenda, often to positive outcomes. But in crucial areas such as the truly out-of-control national debt, to which Trump is totally indifferent, and job-killing anti-trade policies, which the president emphatically backs, the divide could not be more clear.

If you believe in the principle of limited government, the Libertarian challenger deserves your attention. But even if you don’t, if you do value competence, character, and rational policymaking, you should look into Amash. You may find you're better off in his camp than backing Trump or Biden.

 

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