f7ben Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 If your party loses not one but two general elections to Donald fucking Trump you are irrelevant and need to expire. Trump is the 2nd worst candidate in history and would not have been potus if not for Hillary. If dems cant beat him as the most hated incumbent of all time....well they should all one by one kill themselves publically in the most shameful painful way possible 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 I agree. I swear its like they dont want to win which may be the case. The only way to swindle those republican voters is with a republican president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 The two geniuses are on the case! Thank god for humanity! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Exhibit A ^^^^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 It’s the Democrats race to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, Anler said: Exhibit A ^^^^^ Exhibit ^^^^^^Nazi^^^^^^ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, spin_dry said: It’s the Democrats race to lose. And we can be sure they will do a fine job of that. When Joe freakin Biden is the chosen one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 38 minutes ago, f7ben said: If your party loses not one but two general elections to Donald fucking Trump you are irrelevant and need to expire. Trump is the 2nd worst candidate in history and would not have been potus if not for Hillary. If dems cant beat him as the most hated incumbent of all time....well they should all one by one kill themselves publically in the most shameful painful way possible No No Hilary was great just ask MC or Spindry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) The dems. are better off with Trump anyway, there were more than 50 votes to repeal Obama care with a dem pres. how many under Trump? They got more money and more gun control under Trump than Obama. Edited August 20, 2019 by 1jkw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted August 20, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 minute ago, 1jkw said: The dems. are better off with Trump anyway, there were more than 50 votes to repeal Obama care with a dem pres. how many under Trump? They got more money and more gun control under Trump than Obama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 minute ago, 1jkw said: The dems. are better off with Trump anyway, there were more than 50 votes to repeal Obama care with a dem pres. how many under Trump? They got more money and more gun control under Trump than Obama. There was never an appetite to repeal Obama Care. Those votes of more than 50 were what is call Show votes. They knew Obama would veto anything they put across his desk. It made it easy to vote on things he would Veto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Highmark said: You can laugh, but it's true. And feel free to point out what part isn't true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Edmo said: And we can be sure they will do a fine job of that. When Joe freakin Biden is the chosen one... You cant be the head of a national party and think the bumbling retards you have propped up are the key to victory, you just cant be that stupid. And the candidates that are actually resonating are the ones you are attacking and undermining from within. Seriously, you are not trying to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 minute ago, jtssrx said: There was never an appetite to repeal Obama Care. Those votes of more than 50 were what is call Show votes. They knew Obama would veto anything they put across his desk. It made it easy to vote on things he would Veto. True, more political grandstanding. But look at the spending, and banning the bump stock, zero chance either would have happened under Obama, or any other dem. for that matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, 1jkw said: True, more political grandstanding. But look at the spending, and banning the bump stock, zero chance either would have happened under Obama, or any other dem. for that matter. Exactly what I said, they will get more gun control and willful erosion of rights under a republican administration than they will with a democrat. And lets not forget reckless spending... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted August 20, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 20, 2019 Just now, 1jkw said: You can laugh, but it's true. And feel free to point out what part isn't true. Obamacare https://money.cnn.com/2018/01/20/news/economy/obamacare-trump-year-one/index.html Gun Control https://everytown.org/press/the-facts-trump-administration-has-already-weakened-u-s-gun-laws/ Spending https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-spending-3305763 During Obama the Federal budget got to 24% of GDP. FY 2020 is projected at 21%. No question Trump must attack spending if given a 2nd term. Lets keep in mind mandatory spending makes up for around 60% of the budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Highmark said: Obamacare https://money.cnn.com/2018/01/20/news/economy/obamacare-trump-year-one/index.html Gun Control https://everytown.org/press/the-facts-trump-administration-has-already-weakened-u-s-gun-laws/ Spending https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-spending-3305763 During Obama the Federal budget got to 24% of GDP. FY 2020 is projected at 21%. No question Trump must attack spending if given a 2nd term. Lets keep in mind mandatory spending makes up for around 60% of the budget. The major increase in spending was due to the stimulus which would have happened no matter who was president. Per your graph spending was pretty flat from 2009 to 2015 before it started to drastically rise again. Its beyond time for smart people to start addressing better economic and budget strategy and that just isnt happening. And even if it was the divisiveness of the political stage will undermine any logical solutions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Highmark said: Obamacare https://money.cnn.com/2018/01/20/news/economy/obamacare-trump-year-one/index.html Gun Control https://everytown.org/press/the-facts-trump-administration-has-already-weakened-u-s-gun-laws/ Spending https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-spending-3305763 During Obama the Federal budget got to 24% of GDP. FY 2020 is projected at 21%. No question Trump must attack spending if given a 2nd term. Lets keep in mind mandatory spending makes up for around 60% of the budget. Obamacare still exists and was not voted on for repeal more than 50 times like it was before. Bump stock ban. Spending, you seem to forget 2 wars, and a recession. What was the GDP then and now? Obama's last 4 years the deficit was minus 11% Trumps first 2 years it is plus 15%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted August 20, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 20, 2019 Just now, Anler said: The major increase in spending was due to the stimulus which would have happened no matter who was president. Per your graph spending was pretty flat from 2009 to 2015 before it started to drastically rise again. Its beyond time for smart people to start addressing better economic and budget strategy and that just isnt happening. And even if it was the divisiveness of the political stage will undermine any logical solutions. Balanced budget amendment set at a starting rate of 20% of GDP declining every year until it gets to 15% or less. The amendment must also have maximum tax collections built in as well. Chuck Grassley made a valid point at the Iowa State Fair the other day. He said how DC is today you can't pick and choose where its sensible to cut because nobody can agree on anything. The only way is across the board cuts like Sequestration or a BBA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted August 20, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 20, 2019 Just now, 1jkw said: Obamacare still exists and was not voted on for repeal more than 50 times like it was before. Bump stock ban. Spending, you seem to forget 2 wars, and a recession. What was the GDP then and now? Obama's last 4 years the deficit was minus 11% Trumps first 2 years it is plus 15%. Obamacare still changed dramatically. Bump stock ban was bullshit but there were numerous other things done to expand rights. Trump's first year was really Obama's. I've posted on why receipts were kept low regarding changes to the tax rules. They will increase dramatically. Do some research on the change to cash method. Delayed taxes for my company by close to $350K last year. Hundreds of thousands of small business' did the same. My accounting firm which is one of the largest in the country said every single customer of their in the region took advantage of this tax savings except one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Every dem candidate is better than Trump. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, Highmark said: Obamacare still changed dramatically. Bump stock ban was bullshit but there were numerous other things done to expand rights. Trump's first year was really Obama's. I've posted on why receipts were kept low regarding changes to the tax rules. They will increase dramatically. Do some research on the change to cash method. Delayed taxes for my company by close to $350K last year. Hundreds of thousands of small business' did the same. My accounting firm which is one of the largest in the country said every single customer of their in the region took advantage of this tax savings except one. Still didn't repeal and replace as promised despite having control of house and senate. You can call it bullshit, but it happened. I remember you saying Obama's first year was Bush's too, NOT. Lets hope lots of money does come in, because the spender in chief has lots going out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted August 20, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 20, 2019 Just now, Mainecat said: Every dem candidate is better than Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 17 minutes ago, Highmark said: Balanced budget amendment set at a starting rate of 20% of GDP declining every year until it gets to 15% or less. The amendment must also have maximum tax collections built in as well. Chuck Grassley made a valid point at the Iowa State Fair the other day. He said how DC is today you can't pick and choose where its sensible to cut because nobody can agree on anything. The only way is across the board cuts like Sequestration or a BBA. Trump signed off on the sequester and the debt ceiling, but you guys believe he'll stop all that in his second term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted August 20, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 20, 2019 Just now, 1jkw said: Still didn't repeal and replace as promised despite having control of house and senate. You can call it bullshit, but it happened. I remember you saying Obama's first year was Bush's too, NOT. Lets hope lots of money does come in, because the spender in chief has lots going out. Yes one spiteful now dead man stopped it but it still has changed. I called it bullshit because I didn't agree with it. Doesn't change what has been done to increase gun rights. Well I didn't because I thought it was obvious that the Potus doesn't set the budget his first year in office. Agreed too much spending but its hardly just Trump. Dem's cry and shutdown govt if he wants reductions. Whose fault is it really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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