f7ben Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Matt said: Young Americans are indoctrinated in the ways of Socialism from K-12. This ramps up considerably once they get to college. No surprise they trend that way. Of course, globalization and capitalism has reduced poverty and hunger to the lowest points they've been at any time in history... but yeah... socialism... Complete bullshit.....technology did this. Not capitalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, f7ben said: Complete bullshit.....technology did this. Not capitalism. hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Just now, Matt said: hilarious. Oh please please tell me how capitalism is responsible for technology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, f7ben said: Oh please please tell me how capitalism is responsible for technology Globalization, i.e. more people working and contributing to the global economy, has little to do with technology and more to do with free trade (capitalism). Now if you want to make the argument that reduced levels of starvation are due to technology, I'll grant you that there's an element of this here when looking at things like GMOs, modern farming/harvesting techniques, etc. But even that technology, and basically all the technology you enjoy on a daily basis, is a result of capitalism. Open markets and profit motives are the two biggest enablers/creators of technology. Socialism doesn't create shit like Google, Facebook, the IPhone, etc. Socialism just creates starving people. Edited March 11, 2019 by Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Just now, Matt said: Globalization, i.e. more people working and contributing to the global economy, has little to do with technology and more to do with free trade (capitalism). Now if you want to make the argument that reduced levels of starvation are due to technology, I'll grant you that there's an element of this here when looking at things like GMOs, modern farming/harvesting techniques, etc. But even that technology, and basically all the technology you enjoy on a daily basis, is a result of capitalism. Open markets and profit motives are the two biggest enablers/creators of technology. Efficiency is due to technology.....technology has directly increased the quality of life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Just now, f7ben said: Efficiency is due to technology.....technology has directly increased the quality of life. Efficiency is due to profit motive. Capitalism 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Just now, Matt said: Efficiency is due to profit motive. I'll give you that partially Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Funny that efficiency will be what kills capitalism in the end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 30 minutes ago, Matt said: Globalization, i.e. more people working and contributing to the global economy, has little to do with technology and more to do with free trade (capitalism). Now if you want to make the argument that reduced levels of starvation are due to technology, I'll grant you that there's an element of this here when looking at things like GMOs, modern farming/harvesting techniques, etc. But even that technology, and basically all the technology you enjoy on a daily basis, is a result of capitalism. Open markets and profit motives are the two biggest enablers/creators of technology. Socialism doesn't create shit like Google, Facebook, the IPhone, etc. Socialism just creates starving people. Capitalism creates nothing, labor creates all. People created all these things and they're made by labor. Capitalism just dictates who gets paid. Usually it's those working the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted March 11, 2019 Author Share Posted March 11, 2019 39 minutes ago, f7ben said: Funny that efficiency will be what kills capitalism in the end Wealth disparity hits a tipping point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 11, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 11, 2019 1 hour ago, f7ben said: Complete bullshit.....technology did this. Not capitalism. We we all know technology benefited and grew in socialist countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 23 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Capitalism creates nothing, labor creates all. People created all these things and they're made by labor. Capitalism just dictates who gets paid. Usually it's those working the least. One of your better posts. 51 minutes ago, f7ben said: I'll give you that partially You spelled “fully” wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 2 hours ago, motonoggin said: Capitalism creates nothing, labor creates all. People created all these things and they're made by labor. Capitalism just dictates who gets paid. Usually it's those working the least. It's a very simple economic principle. Labor in absence of capitalism leads to poor efficiency, substandard shitty products, lack of choices for consumers, and eventual shortages of the most basic essentials. Markets and relative value decisions make the world go round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted March 11, 2019 Author Share Posted March 11, 2019 (edited) Capitalism isn't created equal across the world. Nor is it an indicator of quality of life. America is probably the largest country of the capitalistic variety yet more than 1 in 6 are on some form of psych med. The world's biggest consumer. Edited March 11, 2019 by ActionfigureJoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted March 11, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Capitalism isn't created equal across the world. Nor is it an indicator of quality of life. America is probably the largest country of the capitalistic variety yet more than 1 in 6 are on some form of psych med. The world's biggest consumer. A lot of that is because Americans make good followers. THey do as they are told . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted March 11, 2019 Author Share Posted March 11, 2019 Just now, steve from amherst said: A lot of that is because Americans make good followers. THey do as they are told . Not really. Americans have lost their ability to be uncomfortable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Capitalism: 40% of all food produced is wasted Also: most efficient system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted March 11, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 11, 2019 Just now, ActionfigureJoe said: Not really. Americans have lost their ability to be uncomfortable. Pussies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted March 11, 2019 Author Share Posted March 11, 2019 Just now, steve from amherst said: Pussies. Capitalism turns many into entitled wimps. Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted March 11, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 11, 2019 OK Dan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Right, a little socialism toughen em up. Hunger builds character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Excellent thread! AOC is so happy with this information being spread here....she may use it! It may help save lives!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 4 hours ago, motonoggin said: Capitalism creates nothing, labor creates all. People created all these things and they're made by labor. Capitalism just dictates who gets paid. Usually it's those working the least. Capitalism is the motivator though. The only thing communism motivated was mass death. Labour without direction produces nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 1 hour ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Capitalism turns many into entitled wimps. Yes. It can happen. It did to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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