ActionfigureJoe Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Thought provoking. A number of months ago, I listened to a podcast that has haunted me since — because it captures something essential about our culture warrior moment. It was from NPR’s always excellent Invisibilia series and it was about a woman named Emily. Emily was a member of the hard-core punk music scene in Richmond, Va. One day, when she was nearly 30, she was in a van with her best friend, who was part of a prominent band. They were heading to a gig in Florida when the venue called to cancel their appearance. A woman had accused Emily’s best friend of sending her an unwelcome sexually explicit photograph. His bandmates immediately dismissed her allegations. But inwardly Emily seethed. Upon returning to Richmond, she wrote a Facebook post denouncing her best friend as an abuser. “I disown everything he has done. I do not think it’s O.K. … I believe women.” The post worked. He ended up leaving the band and disappeared from the punk scene. Emily heard rumors that he’d been fired from his job, kicked out of his apartment, had moved to a new city and was not doing well. Emily never spoke with him again. Meanwhile, she was fronting her own band. But in October 2016, she, too, got called out. In high school, roughly a decade before, someone had posted a nude photo of a female student. Emily replied with an emoji making fun of the girl. This was part of a wider pattern of her high school cyberbullying. A post denouncing Emily also went viral. She, too, was the object of a nationwide group hate. She was banned from the punk scene. She didn’t leave the house for what felt like months. Her friends dropped her. She was scared, traumatized and alone. She tried to vanish. “It’s entirely my life,” she told Invisibilia tearfully. “Like, this is everything to me. And it’s all just, like, done and over.” But she accepted the legitimacy of the call-out process. If she was called out it must mean she deserved to be rendered into a nonperson: “I don’t know what to think of myself other than, like, I am so sorry. And I do feel like a monster.” The guy who called out Emily is named Herbert. He told Invisibilia that calling her out gave him a rush of pleasure, like an orgasm. He was asked if he cared about the pain Emily endured. “No, I don’t care,” he replied. “I don’t care because it’s obviously something you deserve, and it’s something that’s been coming. … I literally do not care about what happens to you after the situation. I don’t care if she’s dead, alive, whatever.” When the interviewer, Hanna Rosin, showed skepticism, he revealed that he, too, was a victim. His father beat him throughout his childhood. In this small story, we see something of the maladies that shape our brutal cultural moment. You see how zealotry is often fueled by people working out their psychological wounds. You see that when denunciation is done through social media, you can destroy people without even knowing them. There’s no personal connection that allows apology and forgiveness. You also see how once you adopt a binary tribal mentality — us/them, punk/non-punk, victim/abuser — you’ve immediately depersonalized everything. You’ve reduced complex human beings to simple good versus evil. You’ve eliminated any sense of proportion. Suddenly there’s no distinction between R. Kelly and a high school girl sending a mean emoji. The podcast gives a glimpse of how cycles of abuse get passed down, one to another. It shows what it’s like to live amid a terrifying call-out culture, a vengeful game of moral one-upsmanship in which social annihilation can come any second. I’m older, so all sorts of historical alarm bells were going off — the way students denounced and effectively murdered their elders for incorrect thought during Mao’s Cultural Revolution and in Stalin’s Russia. But the Invisibilia episode implicitly suggests that call-outs are how humanity moves forward. Society enforces norms by murdering the bullies who break them. When systems are broken, vigilante justice may be rough justice, but it gets the job done. Prominent anthropologist Richard Wrangham says this is the only way civilization advances that he’s witnessed. Really? Do we really think cycles of cruelty do more to advance civilization than cycles of wisdom and empathy? I’d say civilization moves forward when we embrace rule of law, not when we abandon it. I’d say we no longer gather in coliseums to watch people get eaten by lions because clergy members, philosophers and artists have made us less tolerant of cruelty, not more tolerant. The problem with the pseudo-realism of the call-out culture is that it is so naïve. Once you adopt binary thinking in which people are categorized as good or evil, once you give random people the power to destroy lives without any process, you have taken a step toward the Rwandan genocide. Even the quest for justice can turn into barbarism if it is not infused with a quality of mercy, an awareness of human frailty and a path to redemption. The crust of civilization is thinner than you think. Follow The New York Times Opinion section on Facebook, Twitter (@NYTopinion) and Instagram. David Brooks has been a columnist with The Times since 2003. He is the author of “The Road to Character” and the forthcoming book, “The Second Mountain.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 I saw some documentary on call out culture. It’s wild what people are willing to inflict via the web to another. Ruin their lives, families, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 It's encouraging if an OpEd writer for the NYT posting to NPR realizes just how vile and repulsive the outrage-for-hire Twitter lynch mobs have become as these are by a vast majority tools of the left. It's pervaded every level of higher education, and is rampant in Silicon Valley. People act as if the Damore issue is an outlier. It's not. I spend 3 months a year in Silicon Valley. It really is as fucked up as you hear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, Matt said: It's encouraging if an OpEd writer for the NYT posting to NPR realizes just how vile and repulsive the outrage-for-hire Twitter lynch mobs have become as these are by a vast majority tools of the left. It's pervaded every level of higher education, and is rampant in Silicon Valley. People act as if the Damore issue is an outlier. It's not. I spend 3 months a year in Silicon Valley. It really is as fucked up as you hear. My son spent time there working for google and hated it...he eventually got transferred to Chicago where he finished his contractual obligations and moved back to Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, Matt said: It's encouraging if an OpEd writer for the NYT posting to NPR realizes just how vile and repulsive the outrage-for-hire Twitter lynch mobs have become as these are by a vast majority tools of the left. It's pervaded every level of higher education, and is rampant in Silicon Valley. People act as if the Damore issue is an outlier. It's not. I spend 3 months a year in Silicon Valley. It really is as fucked up as you hear. Don't get too excited, it's just David Brooks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Don't get too excited, it's just David Brooks. Road to character is a nice piece of work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 minute ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Road to character is a nice piece of work Meh. I wouldn't read anything by that neocon dink. He was a head cheerleader in the run up to Iraq, from the pages of the NYT, no less. Hard pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 It’s what they tried to do to kalvinough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Yes the left is reverting back to burning witches at the stake of social media. Protest and outrage solely for the sake of protest and outrage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Nobody should lose their job or anything else over accusations. The entire thing is fucking insane. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said: Yes the left is reverting back to burning witches at the stake of social media. Protest and outrage solely for the sake of protest and outrage. Identity politics are a reversion in society development. It’s a big step backwards towards tribalism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Meh. I wouldn't read anything by that neocon dink. He was a head cheerleader in the run up to Iraq, from the pages of the NYT, no less. Hard pass. I was being sarcastic, dinglefutz. I did read the book. It became obvious to me that David has an extremely myopic view of the world. He basically sees what he wants based on the injection and supports of ideas by his peers. He speaks freely about ethics and character from his ivory tower. What he writes about here is the exact same thing his ilk did to both private citizens and elected officials that spoke out against the Iraq war. Be it political correctness or patriotic correctness, lives get ruined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Rod Johnson said: Identity politics are a reversion in society development. It’s a big step backwards towards tribalism Tribalism, you throw that word around like you know what it implies. Edited January 15, 2019 by ActionfigureJoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 minute ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Tribalism, you throw that word around like you know what it implies. I think it’s funny that you don’t know it’s about you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 9 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said: I was being sarcastic, dinglefutz. I did read the book. It became obvious to me that David has an extremely myopic view of the world. He basically sees what he wants based on the injection and supports of ideas by his peers. He speaks freely about ethics and character from his ivory tower. What he writes about here is the exact same thing his ilk did to both private citizens and elected officials that spoke out against the Iraq war. Be it political correctness or patriotic correctness, lives get ruined. Wow. Deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted January 15, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: Wow. Deep. Over your head apparently....go bust some pow my best buddy.😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Just now, Jimmy Snacks said: Over your head apparently....go bust some pow my best buddy.😂 Rent free. In your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted January 15, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 15, 2019 Just now, DriftBusta said: Rent free. In your head. Not really....but you certainly have a hard on for me but like most things I don't expect you to see or acknowledge it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Not really....but you certainly have a hard on for me but like most things I don't expect you to see or acknowledge it. Yeah I think you’re a fucking dink no secret there. Yet who’s following who around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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