ActionfigureJoe Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/trump-trade-war-us-china-trade-deficit-growing-despite-tariffs-2018-12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted December 19, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 19, 2018 On the surface it appears that Trumps tariffs are not having the desired effect yet I also hear that China is ready to crumble and cave in....hmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 You’ve posted this like 10 times already. You do realize tariffs aren’t the end game right? This is just fodder for the ignorant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted December 19, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Edmo said: You’ve posted this like 10 times already. You do realize tariffs aren’t the end game right? This is just fodder for the ignorant. What is the end game exactly and is the damage to the economy going to be worth it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Edmo said: You’ve posted this like 10 times already. You do realize tariffs aren’t the end game right? This is just fodder for the ignorant. I post it every month when the trade sheet is published. I’ll keep doing so. Thank you for noticing. Emerging markets are now beginning to suffer as well. Of course trump humpers and their myopic view of the world could care less. It does indicate that the party is coming to an end. Edited December 19, 2018 by ActionfigureJoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted December 19, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, Edmo said: You’ve posted this like 10 times already. You do realize tariffs aren’t the end game right? This is just fodder for the ignorant. Spedmo irony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: What is the end game exactly and is the damage to the economy going to be worth it? A new trade deal with China. You can argue his strategy is not a good one, and that’s a valid argument. But to point to the trade imbalance is like celebrating the score at half time. It isn’t over yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 Just now, Edmo said: A new trade deal with China. You can argue his strategy is not a good one, and that’s a valid argument. But to point to the trade imbalance is like celebrating the score at half time. It isn’t over yet. New trade deal? What exactly is that? Please explain to the class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: I post it every month when the trade sheet is published. I’ll keep doing so. Thank you for noticing. Emerging markets are now beginning to suffer as well. Of course trump humpers and their myopic view of the world could care less. It does indicate that the party is coming to an end. Do you think it is fair for China to have the same tariffs on our exports as we do on theirs? Do you think it's fair for them to consistently violate our patent laws and steal intellectual property? Do you think it's fair that China subsidizes their industry to dump commodities on our economy which undermines our domestic producers? Do you think these issues should be addressed? Edited December 19, 2018 by Anler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Edmo said: A new trade deal with China. You can argue his strategy is not a good one, and that’s a valid argument. But to point to the trade imbalance is like celebrating the score at half time. It isn’t over yet. I think the Chinese are going to hold out until 2020. They will dump billions of dollars into a democratic candidate to defeat Trump and then it will be back to normal. If Trump doesn't get impeached by then. Then the chicoms will just buy off the Republicans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: New trade deal? What exactly is that? Please explain to the class. They’re at the table now. Stay tuned. 2 minutes ago, Anler said: Do you think it is fair for China to have the same tariffs on our exports as we do on theirs? Do you think it's fair for them to consistently violate our parent laws and steal intellectual property? Do you think it's fair that China subsidizes their industry to dump commodities on our economy which undermines our domestic producers? Do you think these issues should be addressed? Minor stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Anler said: Do you think it is fair for China to have the same tariffs on our exports as we do on theirs? Do you think it's fair for them to consistently violate our parent laws and steal intellectual property? Do you think it's fair that China subsidizes their industry to dump commodities on our economy which undermines our domestic producers? Do you think these issues should be addressed? How about not addressing these issues in a manner that not only renders a tax on Americans, but also creates increases of the symptoms it’s designed to treat? Edited December 19, 2018 by ActionfigureJoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Just now, ActionfigureJoe said: How about not addressing these issues in a manner that not only renders a tax on Americans, but also creates increases iof the symptoms it’s designed to treat? What incentive is their for China to do that? They liked things the way they were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 minute ago, ActionfigureJoe said: How about not addressing these issues in a manner that not only renders a tax on Americans, but also creates increases of the symptoms it’s designed to treat? You don’t think they’ve tried? Putting the pressure on them big time is a different approach than what’s been done before. Let’s see if it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 spin fuck liked the way the pussy Kenyan did business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, Anler said: What incentive is their for China to do that? They liked things the way they were. There’s no stopping China or any other country from stealing IP rights. That’s a losing game. England and Europe tried it with the US and lost. The only solution is to keep innovating. Our government would be much better served to use its resources to create openings for companies based here to innovate. There’s many signs that China has now gone beyond copying and they’re now inovating. A perfect example of that is their latest electronic equipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 ......contrary to popular belief here, China is not producing junk. That’s the real danger. They’ll start doing it better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Trying to discuss trade imbalances with a group of people who's resolve & values are destroyed by facebook spam. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, Cold War said: Trying to discuss trade imbalances with a group of people who's resolve & values are destroyed by facebook spam. The insufferable sheep and their biased media. Just makes you so proud to be an American. 👊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 2 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said: There’s no stopping China or any other country from stealing IP rights. That’s a losing game. England and Europe tried it with the US and lost. The only solution is to keep innovating. Our government would be much better served to use its resources to create openings for companies based here to innovate. There’s many signs that China has now gone beyond copying and they’re now inovating. A perfect example of that is their latest electronic equipment. Well if they are stealing them the least we can do is not let them sell the shit here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted December 19, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 19, 2018 I'm amused at the media and sheeples lack of knowledge of even the basics of trade like strength of the dollar. Reality is the media probably know's but the people like AFJ obviously have no clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted December 19, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 19, 2018 2 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said: There’s no stopping China or any other country from stealing IP rights. That’s a losing game. England and Europe tried it with the US and lost. The only solution is to keep innovating. Our government would be much better served to use its resources to create openings for companies based here to innovate. There’s many signs that China has now gone beyond copying and they’re now inovating. A perfect example of that is their latest electronic equipment. In many ways from experience I can tell you this is correct. Protect your IP here and hope this market is more than enough to cover those costs and boost profits to reasonable levels. Thing is about IP its easy to see if that IP is giving you huge margins which only gives competitors incentive to fight it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 China just bought 2 million tons of American beans. Biggest single day purchase in a decade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 3 hours ago, Rod Johnson said: China just bought 2 million tons of American beans. Biggest single day purchase in a decade Is the total tonnage from 2016, or 2017, more or less then 2018? And US taxpayers ore on the hook for 12 billion to farmers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 7 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said: ......contrary to popular belief here, China is not producing junk. That’s the real danger. They’ll start doing it better. As the Japanese did before them. All anyone has to do is study history to learn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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