Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted August 4, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 4, 2018 Got to give him some credit for taking some blame. Now lets see what they do. Socialist Venezuela Falling Apart As President Maduro Shockingly Blames Party https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2018/08/01/socialist-venezuela-falling-apart-president-maduro-shockingly-blames-party/amp/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 Pretty obvious it’s not working Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 Why did the US sanction Venezuela into poverty and let the CIA sew turmoil and instability in their country for a decade or more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, f7ben said: Why did the US sanction Venezuela into poverty and let the CIA sew turmoil and instability in their country for a decade or more? Because they hate your freedoms. Next Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 37 minutes ago, f7ben said: Why did the US sanction Venezuela into poverty and let the CIA sew turmoil and instability in their country for a decade or more? Russia. duh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 37 minutes ago, Rod Johnson said: Because they hate your freedoms. Next 3 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: Russia. duh. I guess these are as good as any answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleroule Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 moto will be here shortly to tell us he knew maduro was doing it wrong and he knows how to fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 1 minute ago, oleroule said: moto will be here shortly to tell us he knew maduro was doing it wrong and he knows how to fix it. How will we ever know if they were doing it right or wrong when the full might of US economic power was deployed against them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 1 hour ago, f7ben said: Why did the US sanction Venezuela into poverty and let the CIA sew turmoil and instability in their country for a decade or more? Obviously the USA makes boogeyman out of countries like Venezuela unnecessarily but that doesn't change the fact that Socialism's track record is horrible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racinfarmer Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 Crashtor Maldonado won't be able to race now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, f7ben said: How will we ever know if they were doing it right or wrong when the full might of US economic power was deployed against them? Well the fact that the government is staunchly authoritarian makes them wrong right off the bat, even putting everything else aside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 1 minute ago, SSFB said: Obviously the USA makes boogeyman out of countries like Venezuela unnecessarily but that doesn't change the fact that Socialism's track record is horrible. I'm not defending or advocating. Just stating that the Venezualan collapse can hardly be laid at the feet of socialism. It's just another example of US imperialist hegemony abroad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 1 minute ago, SSFB said: Well the fact that the government is staunchly authoritarian makes them wrong right off the bat, even putting everything else aside. So it wasn't socialism at all then.....got it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, f7ben said: I'm not defending or advocating. Just stating that the Venezualan collapse can hardly be laid at the feet of socialism. It's just another example of US imperialist hegemony abroad No, some of the blame can absolutely be laid at the feet of Socialism. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 1 minute ago, SSFB said: No, some of the blame can absolutely be laid at the feet of Socialism. We already agreed it wasnt socialism at all by definition. It was a corrupt authoritarian state. Did the workers own the means of production and the natural resources or did the authoritarian state? Simply calling everything we don't like socialism is idiocy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, f7ben said: So it wasn't socialism at all then.....got it Authoritarianism and Socialism aren't mutually exclusive. Not in the least bit. In fact the track record shows that Authoritarianism is very likely to be implemented in a Socialist state. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 1 minute ago, f7ben said: We already agreed it wasnt socialism at all by definition. It was a corrupt authoritarian state. Did the workers own the means of production and the natural resources or did the authoritarian state? Simply calling everything we don't like socialism is idiocy Well when it goes down the same fucking way 9/10 times at some point Socialism has to be held responsible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 Just now, SSFB said: Well when it goes down the same fucking way 9/10 times at some point Socialism has to be held responsible. Give me an example of a socialist state that wasnt fully corrupt or destroyed by the US. Venezuela is a poor fucking example. They had one main driver for their economy ......oil. The US rendered that worthless for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 1 minute ago, f7ben said: Give me an example of a socialist state that wasnt fully corrupt or destroyed by the US. Venezuela is a poor fucking example. They had one main driver for their economy ......oil. The US rendered that worthless for them. Ben, what does that tell you when there is not a single example of a Socialist nation that wasn't fully corrupt? That's my point exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 Just now, SSFB said: Ben, what does that tell you when there is not a single example of a Socialist nation that wasn't fully corrupt? That's my point exactly. Well what does it tell you when the corruption inside the US.....the pinnacle of capitalism.....far outweighs anything any socialist nation has ever experienced. US corruption , greed and our intent to subvert the political process of any country on earth who doesn't bend to our will is the greatest example of corruption in history. US hegemony is destroying progress....not furthering it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 Just now, f7ben said: Well what does it tell you when the corruption inside the US.....the pinnacle of capitalism.....far outweighs anything any socialist nation has ever experienced. US corruption , greed and our intent to subvert the political process of any country on earth who doesn't bend to our will is the greatest example of corruption in history. US hegemony is destroying progress....not furthering it The track record of constitutional republics with a Capitalist system is unquestionably better than that of Authoritarian Socialist nations. That tells me that clearly the former works better. There is no better example of this than the Korean peninsula. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 Just now, SSFB said: The track record of constitutional republics with a Capitalist system is unquestionably better than that of Authoritarian Socialist nations. That tells me that clearly the former works better. There is no better example of this than the Korean peninsula. Totally disagree. US manipulation for the last 75 years has skewed any possible conclusions that could be drawn aside from..... "governments are universally corrupt regardless of the economic system they exist under" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 It is much more prudent to judge the two systems by its results rather than its intentions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 1 minute ago, f7ben said: Totally disagree. US manipulation for the last 75 years has skewed any possible conclusions that could be drawn aside from..... "governments are universally corrupt regardless of the economic system they exist under" Of course governments are universally corrupt. They generally become even more corrupt the more authoritarian they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.