sledderj Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 5 hours ago, DAVE said: Quite a few...last i worked in the factory was 09...but still. Ft Mac'ers could get into that kind of coin, but it wouldn't be no cushy gig. Lots of hours for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted June 4, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 4, 2018 16 hours ago, f7ben said: Holy fucking shit.......I cannot fathom how dumb one would have to be to not even have the most basic understanding of what a tariff is and why its being used in regards to Canada What I said was if Canada was not previously selling steel for less then American steel manufacturers they would not be subject to the tariff. IF you and Ice cant figure that out then you both should be doing a facepalm, on yourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEMAN! Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 1 hour ago, steve from amherst said: What I said was if Canada was not previously selling steel for less then American steel manufacturers they would not be subject to the tariff. IF you and Ice cant figure that out then you both should be doing a facepalm, on yourselves. That is incorrect. There are many reasons/justifications for imposing a tarrif on a country with price potentially being one of them. In our case it isn’t the reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted June 4, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, ICEMAN! said: That is incorrect. There are many reasons/justifications for imposing a tarrif on a country with price potentially being one of them. In our case it isn’t the reason. And how do you know that. Post it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Trump Maga butthurttrumpman- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Evidently Bush tried this in 2002. It cost 200,000 US jobs and was ruled illegal by WTO. You can’t fix stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEMAN! Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 52 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: And how do you know that. Post it up. I’ve been buying steel on a daily/weekly basis for almost 15 years. Over to you..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted June 4, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, ICEMAN! said: I’ve been buying steel on a daily/weekly basis for almost 15 years. Over to you..... American steel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEMAN! Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 15 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: American steel? Canadian and American Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted June 4, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 4, 2018 Well then , post up a few receipts . Lets see what you are paying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEMAN! Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 18 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: Well then , post up a few receipts . Lets see what you are paying. Current pricing is between .060 and .070 per pound CDN $ for coil stock and discrete plate depending on the quantity purchased and type of product. We’ve had free trade for almost 25 years. If it was cheaper to produce steel in Canada vs the US our steel mills would be booming when in actuality some have closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 12 minutes ago, ICEMAN! said: Current pricing is between .060 and .070 per pound CDN $ for coil stock and discrete plate depending on the quantity purchased and type of product. We’ve had free trade for almost 25 years. If it was cheaper to produce steel in Canada vs the US our steel mills would be booming when in actuality some have closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 1 hour ago, ICEMAN! said: I’ve been buying steel on a daily/weekly basis for almost 15 years. Over to you..... For what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokin george Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Most of the steel we buy/sell is made here in Canada. There's the exceptional size or material that we get from the US and all our cold finished bars come from offshore(nothing from China). What'll effect us will be our customer base if they get bagged with an increase as most of their product goes to the US Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 27 minutes ago, ICEMAN! said: Current pricing is between .060 and .070 per pound CDN $ for coil stock and discrete plate depending on the quantity purchased and type of product. We’ve had free trade for almost 25 years. If it was cheaper to produce steel in Canada vs the US our steel mills would be booming when in actuality some have closed. You send anything to the US? Virtually all my systems go outside of Ontario. Panel suppliers vary depending on customer standards but most leave that to our discretion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, smokin george said: Most of the steel we buy/sell is made here in Canada. There's the exceptional size or material that we get from the US and all our cold finished bars come from offshore(nothing from China). What'll effect us will be our customer base if they get bagged with an increase as most of their product goes to the US I would bet some of that bar you are purchasing from offshore is coming from china and is relabeled ....unless you know exactly what mill is making it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, smokin george said: Most of the steel we buy/sell is made here in Canada. There's the exceptional size or material that we get from the US and all our cold finished bars come from offshore(nothing from China). What'll effect us will be our customer base if they get bagged with an increase as most of their product goes to the US Slater? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 10 minutes ago, f7ben said: I would bet some of that bar you are purchasing from offshore is coming from china and is relabeled ....unless you know exactly what mill is making it 60% of the steel imported into Canada comes from the US, 8% comes from China. This is just stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEMAN! Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 21 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: You send anything to the US? Virtually all my systems go outside of Ontario. Panel suppliers vary depending on customer standards but most leave that to our discretion. I don’t ship anything directly to the US, but some of my stuff does ultimately end up there. 5 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: 60% of the steel imported into Canada comes from the US, 8% comes from China. This is just stupid. And of that 8% most would be consumed here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: 60% of the steel imported into Canada comes from the US, 8% comes from China. This is just stupid. Do we need to rehash the relabeling of Counrty of Origin issue again???? Every fucking stat you morons site for the origins of all the foreign steel is bullshit. A lot of it is chinese and being relabeled in other ports. Sweet fuck we have been over this 1 million times. That is a big part of the entire issue here and why tariffs are being used broadly. China and its partners are running an end around every measure being taken to stem their illegal dumping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, f7ben said: Do we need to rehash the relabeling of Counrty of Origin issue again???? Every fucking stat you morons site for the origins of all the foreign steel is bullshit. A lot of it is chinese and being relabeled in other ports. Sweet fuck we have been over this 1 million times. That is a big part of the entire issue here and why tariffs are being used broadly. China and its partners are running an end around every measure being taken to stem their illegal dumping. Fuck, I understand country of origin since since everything I sell/ship comes as country of origin being Canada. If the US can't handle steel coming Canada that is about as balanced as it can be then you have much bigger issues. Done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, ICEMAN! said: I don’t ship anything directly to the US, but some of my stuff does ultimately end up there. And of that 8% most would be consumed here. IC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Fuck, I understand country of origin since since everything I sell/ship comes as country of origin being Canada. If the US can't handle steel coming Canada that is about as balanced as it can be then you have much bigger issues. Done. And you have been told repeatedly that the tariffs on Canada have little to do with steel and are being used as a trade chip in the NAFTA negotiations. If Canada wants to make the NAFTA things difficult then you can have a good fucking to your steel industry. Done Edited June 4, 2018 by f7ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEMAN! Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, f7ben said: And you have been told repeatedly that the tariffs on Canada have little to do with steel and are being used as a trade chip in the NAFTA negotiations. If Canada wants to make the NAFTA things difficult then you can have a good fucking to your steel industry. Done Canada / US trade is already balanced. What more do you fucking want? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Just now, ICEMAN! said: Canada / US trade is already balanced. What more do you fucking want? We want mexico dealt with .....again I am totally happy with any trade being done with Canada. You are a good trade partner with an equal playing field. I dont even care if we run deficits with Canada. Our respective countries make each other more competitive and that is good for everyone. Mexico is the entire issue with Nafta......it never should have been included and the only reason it was is so we could ship our manufacturing jobs there and pay their slave labor next to nothing. If that portion isnt renegotiated the whole deal is out. Canada didnt want to scrap NAFTA and was in opposition to what we are after......hence the tariffs staying in place as planned. The reason its steel and aluminum tariffs is because the POTUS can use those tariffs at will and without justification because those industries are a matter of national security Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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