motonoggin Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Then they won't ever improve. Neal Sad. What about acknowledging systemic racism would hurt white people? Edited May 31, 2018 by motonoggin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, motonoggin said: That's pretty much irrelevant. But you go ahead and do the 'I have a black friend' thing. And this is the disconnect. This is why race relations will never improve. White people refuse to acknowledge that the entire system is set up to put BBIPOC at a disadvantage over whites. We don't see it because we have a totally different experience, and we're conditioned to think that our experiences as white people is the norm for everyone. It is not. Our status as white people is based upon the oppression of everyone else, especially BBIPOC. By who? How did you become un-conditioned? What experiences? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted May 31, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 31, 2018 Just now, motonoggin said: That's pretty much irrelevant. But you go ahead and do the 'I have a black friend' thing. I think it is completely relevant, based on your posts of knowing what black folks are feeling. If you are not speaking to them how do you know what they are feeling??.. because of a FB meme?? seriously dude, those have no credibility. I have spoken face to face with at least 10 black people today, none being my friends, all complete strangers. Maybe you should try and and speak to some black folks some time, show them your meme's and tell them your opinion.. I bet you will be quite surprised.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 8 minutes ago, Cold War said: By who? How did you become un-conditioned? What experiences? By media, society, schooling, capitalism, relationships with authority, being raised by parents raised in the same system, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 19 minutes ago, Rigid1 said: I think it is completely relevant, based on your posts of knowing what black folks are feeling. If you are not speaking to them how do you know what they are feeling??.. because of a FB meme?? seriously dude, those have no credibility. I have spoken face to face with at least 10 black people today, none being my friends, all complete strangers. Maybe you should try and and speak to some black folks some time, show them your meme's and tell them your opinion.. I bet you will be quite surprised.. Are you saying that I would agree with more white people if I talked to more black people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted May 31, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 31, 2018 Just now, motonoggin said: Are you saying that I would agree with more white people if I talked to more black people? Nope, I think you would have a valid concept to post on if you actually conversed face to face with some black folks, rather than basing your knowledge off youtube videos and FB meme's.. Kinda hard to be a credible "voice for blacks" on the forum when you dont routinely converse with them about your opinions and and hear theirs..You would have to agree with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 18 hours ago, spin_dry said: Not the smartest people these republicans. http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/05/30/roseanne-fans-call-for-bill-maher-to-be-fired-after-joked-trump-is-part-orangutan.html Idiots can't figure out that it is OK for a white man to call another white man a primate, just like it's OK for a black man to call another black man a primate. Poor stupid believers of conspiracies and blind followers of Trump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Rigid1 said: Curious, How many black people do you converse with face to face on a daily basis?? I already confronted him on this and the prick won’t answer cause all he is good for us lecturing us with his Harvard intellect. What a fucking joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, Rigid1 said: Nope, I think you would have a valid concept to post on if you actually conversed face to face with some black folks, rather than basing your knowledge off youtube videos and FB meme's.. Kinda hard to be a credible "voice for blacks" on the forum when you dont routinely converse with them about your opinions and and hear theirs..You would have to agree with that. All these qualifiers in order to speak on racism to white people! You've set up logical fallacies here, can you see that? 1)You wrongly assume that I don't have meaningful interactions with BBIPOC and present evidence of that by making another wrongful assumption - that I get all my information from YouTube and memes. I may post those things here, but it's to make a point, not show you how I learned what I did. 2)You're also pretending that by me making an argument based on critical race theory, that I'm attempting to speak for BBIPOC. I'm not. I'm presenting the information I've learned from studying the issue, listening to BBIPOC, and presenting it here. The role of white people truly interested in being anti racist, is to go into white spaces and talk about this with white people. White people need to change if this issue is going to be resolved. When there is oppression, you don't fix it by asking the oppressed to alter their behavior, you do it by demanding the oppressor acknowledge his oppression and alter his behavior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted May 31, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 31, 2018 Just now, motonoggin said: All these qualifiers in order to speak on racism to white people! You've set up logical fallacies here, can you see that? 1)You wrongly assume that I don't have meaningful interactions with BBIPOC and present evidence of that by making another wrongful assumption - that I get all my information from YouTube and memes. I may post those things here, but it's to make a point, not show you how I learned what I did. 2)You're also pretending that by me making an argument based on critical race theory, that I'm attempting to speak for BBIPOC. I'm not. I'm presenting the information I've learned from studying the issue, listening to BBIPOC, and presenting it here. The role of white people truly interested in being anti racist, is to go into white spaces and talk about this with white people. White people need to change if this issue is going to be resolved. When there is oppression, you don't fix it by asking the oppressed to alter their behavior, you do it by demanding the oppressor acknowledge his oppression and alter his behavior. Now this is frigging hilarious!!! where did this studying take place?? im betting youtube, google, and MEME generator as bolding a few sentences you have posted above, a right click, then click "search google" shows a lot of copy and paste in what you posted .... Genuinely saddening you just wont go seek out some black folks and compare your ideals to theirs.. Again, I bet you would be quite surprised.. Im all good moto, im off to family time.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Rigid1 said: Now this is frigging hilarious!!! where did this studying take place?? im betting youtube, google, and MEME generator as bolding a few sentences you have posted above, a right click, then click "search google" shows a lot of copy and paste in what you posted .... Genuinely saddening you just wont go seek out some black folks and compare your ideals to theirs.. Again, I bet you would be quite surprised.. Im all good moto, im off to family time.. One last load of shit post before you go, eh? You realize that you're basing your dismissal of the ideas I've presented on your own faulty premise, right? I mean, maybe you should learn how to argue more effectively instead of relying entirely on fallacy. K? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 16 minutes ago, motonoggin said: One last load of shit post before you go, eh? You realize that you're basing your dismissal of the ideas I've presented on your own faulty premise, right? I mean, maybe you should learn how to argue more effectively instead of relying entirely on fallacy. K? In short, he's saying you are full of fucking shit. As am I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted May 31, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 31, 2018 45 minutes ago, motonoggin said: One last load of shit post before you go, eh? You realize that you're basing your dismissal of the ideas I've presented on your own faulty premise, right? I mean, maybe you should learn how to argue more effectively instead of relying entirely on fallacy. K? You mean the ideals MLK presented in jail letter 1963.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 11 minutes ago, Rigid1 said: You mean the ideals MLK presented in jail letter 1963.. wut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 2 hours ago, motonoggin said: All these qualifiers in order to speak on racism to white people! You've set up logical fallacies here, can you see that? 1)You wrongly assume that I don't have meaningful interactions with BBIPOC and present evidence of that by making another wrongful assumption - that I get all my information from YouTube and memes. I may post those things here, but it's to make a point, not show you how I learned what I did. 2)You're also pretending that by me making an argument based on critical race theory, that I'm attempting to speak for BBIPOC. I'm not. I'm presenting the information I've learned from studying the issue, listening to BBIPOC, and presenting it here. The role of white people truly interested in being anti racist, is to go into white spaces and talk about this with white people. White people need to change if this issue is going to be resolved. When there is oppression, you don't fix it by asking the oppressed to alter their behavior, you do it by demanding the oppressor acknowledge his oppression and alter his behavior. Where are you having these interactions? we were in Gaylord last weekend. I didn’t see any poc. For Christ sakes ...,white people still own gas stations and party stores there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Cold War said: Where are you having these interactions? we were in Gaylord last weekend. I didn’t see any poc. For Christ sakes ...,white people still own gas stations and party stores there. In places that are safe for black people to talk about this stuff without dealing with white nonsense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, motonoggin said: In places that are safe for black people to talk about this stuff without dealing with white nonsense Excellent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, Rod Johnson said: As a minority please stop thinking that you’re our spokesperson. You have no idea what racism is. It’s when a brainless fucktard lumps all people together by their race. for instance if a useless piece of shit refers to natives as chugs. That useless piece of shit is a racist. (He also blows dogs) Edited June 1, 2018 by revkevsdi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted June 1, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 1, 2018 46 minutes ago, motonoggin said: In places that are safe for black people to talk about this stuff without dealing with white nonsense Face to face?? Honestly when was the last time you conversed with a black person face to face?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, Rigid1 said: Face to face?? Honestly when was the last time you conversed with a black person face to face?? Lol. Keep dragging those goalposts around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 It would be like having martial problems and your wife tells you , you are not welcome to talk about it. Her and the girls will figure it out and let you know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Cold War said: It would be like having martial problems and your wife tells you , you are not welcome to talk about it. Her and the girls will figure it out and let you know. Yup that's what white people do to BBIPOC all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Just now, motonoggin said: Yup that's what white people do to BBIPOC all the time. I think it was #1 in the rules for white people that you posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Cold War said: I think it was #1 in the rules for white people that you posted. Jeez, you guys really take those memes to heart, don't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Jeez, you guys really take those memes to heart, don't you? You posted it . Was it satire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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