Shooter at Florida high school.

[revkevsdi]

1 hour ago, GreenStreak said:

What disgusts me is that some of these kids expected this kid to do this and they said nothing in the name of political correctness and not labeling anybody of course they will rise up against the Second Amendment over this and there's no one to blame but society and those fucking kids that said nothing about little Johnny drawing swastikas and bombs in his locker and you can blame the FBI because this little crazy bastard posted on the website that he was going to be the next school shooter 6 months ago and they knew about it

 

1 hour ago, MiSledder said:

So.e people did say something, enough was said to warrant the fbi involvement, still nothing was done, the signs were in neon amd flashing yet nothing was done

So the fbi should have been on this kid because he seemed like a nut. How many grown men on these sledding websites have made threats?  Should the fbi take a teenager talking shit more than an adult?  

What rules would you put in place that would have stopped the Vegas shooter, sandy hook. Batman theatre, Florida night club, columbine or this latest one? 

 

 

[Wildboer]

2 hours ago, MiSledder said:

so stupid

Excellent, well thought out response. 

1 hour ago, washedupmxer said:

when your brain is fueled by estrogen like wildboar and youre clearly confused is there any fix for that? 

I am not confused. I just don't familiarize myself with the gun purchasing process because I have no desire to own one. 

1 hour ago, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot said:

The estrogen isn't the problem. It's the %90 bullshit that he speaks that's the problem, and no, it can't be fixed. 

You're God damn right it's not the problem  

55 minutes ago, Snake said:

He's probably spunk-drunk.

Homophobic delivery boy says what?

39 minutes ago, steve from amherst said:

Because if you don't fix the problem people will just find a different tool. Massachusetts has very tough gun laws. NH dosnt have any gun laws , yet the murder rate in mass is higher then NH . Some yrs 3 times higher.

That's because nothing happens in NH... I can't name a single city in NH and Mass has Boston... of course Mass has a higher crime rate.

[Skidooski]

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"Hi, I'm Nick," he used to say, according to an acquaintance interviewed by CNN. "I'm a school shooter."

 

[revkevsdi]

50 minutes ago, steve from amherst said:

MS 13 killed 17 people in the last yr and a 1/2 in just one NY county.All with machettes

So click on the mass shooting link and compare how many get killed with guns in a week.  The Florida shooting had that many dead in one day in one school.  The Florida shooting was #41 in the first 45 days of 2018. 

That list is for mass shootings. It doesn’t included the one offs. 

[snoughnut]

6 minutes ago, revkevsdi said:

 

So the fbi should have been on this kid because he seemed like a nut. How many grown men on these sledding websites have made threats?  Should the fbi take a teenager talking shit more than an adult?  

What rules would you put in place that would have stopped the Vegas shooter, sandy hook. Batman theatre, Florida night club, columbine or this latest one? 

 

 

Seemed? Good god are you a fucking idiot.

[Ez ryder]

5 minutes ago, revkevsdi said:

So click on the mass shooting link and compare how many get killed with guns in a week.  The Florida shooting had that many dead in one day in one school.  The Florida shooting was #41 in the first 45 days of 2018. 

That list is for mass shootings. It doesn’t included the one offs. 

The stunning number swept across the Internet within minutes of the news Wednesday that, yet again, another young man with another semiautomatic rifle had rampaged through a school, this time at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High in South Florida.

The figure originated with Everytown for Gun Safety, a nonprofit group, co-founded by Michael Bloomberg, that works to prevent gun violence and is most famous for its running tally of school shootings.

“This,” the organization tweeted at 4:22 p.m. Wednesday, “is the 18th school shooting in the U.S. in 2018.”

A tweet by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) including the claim had been liked more than 45,000 times by Thursday evening, and one from political analyst Jeff Greenfield had cracked 126,000. New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio tweeted it, too, as did performers Cher and Alexander William and actors Misha Collins and Albert Brooks. News organizations — including MSNBC, ABC News, NBC News, CBS News, Time, MSN, the BBC, the New York Daily News and HuffPost — also used the number in their coverage. By Wednesday night, the top suggested search after typing “18” into Google was “18 school shootings in 2018.”

It is a horrifying statistic. And it is wrong.

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Everytown has long inflated its total by including incidents of gunfire that are not really school shootings. Take, for example, what it counted as the year’s first: On the afternoon of Jan. 3, a 31-year-old man who had parked outside a Michigan elementary school called police to say he was armed and suicidal. Several hours later, he killed himself. The school, however, had been closed for seven months. There were no teachers. There were no students.

Also listed on the organization’s site is an incident from Jan. 20, when at 1 a.m. a man was shot at a sorority event on the campus of Wake Forest University. A week later, as a basketball game was being played at a Michigan high school, someone fired several rounds from a gun in the parking lot. No one was injured, and it was past 8 p.m., well after classes had ended for the day, but Everytown still labeled it a school shooting.

Everytown explains on its website that it defines a school shooting as “any time a firearm discharges a live round inside a school building or on a school campus or grounds.”

Sarah Tofte, Everytown’s research director, calls the definition “crystal clear,” noting that “every time a gun is discharged on school grounds it shatters the sense of safety” for students, parents and the community.

She said she and her colleagues work to reiterate those parameters in their public messaging. But the organization’s tweets and Facebook posts seldom include that nuance. Just once in 2018, on Feb. 2, has the organization clearly explained its definition on Twitter. And Everytown rarely pushes its jarring totals on social media immediately after the more questionable shootings, as it does with those that are high-profile and undeniable, such as the Florida massacre or one from last month in Kentucky that left two students dead and at least 18 people injured.

After The Washington Post published this report, Everytown removed the Jan. 3 suicide outside the closed Michigan school.

The figures matter because gun-control activists use them as evidence in their fight for bans on assault weapons, stricter background checks and other legislation. Gun rights groups seize on the faults in the data to undermine those arguments and, similarly, present skewed figures of their own.

Gun violence is a crisis in the United States, especially for children, and a huge number — one that needs no exaggeration — have been affected by school shootings. An ongoing Washington Post analysis has found that more than 150,000 students attending at least 170 primary or secondary schools have experienced a shooting on campus since the Columbine High School massacre in 1999. That figure, which comes from a review of online archives, state and federal enrollment figures and news stories, is a conservative calculation and does not include dozens of suicides, accidents and after-school assaults that have also exposed youths to gunfire.

Five of Everytown’s 18 school shootings listed for 2018 happened during school hours and resulted in any physical injury. Three others appeared to be intentional shootings but did not hurt anyone. Two more involved guns — one carried by a school police officer and the other by a licensed peace officer who ran a college club — that were unintentionally fired and, again, led to no injuries. At least seven of Everytown’s 18 shootings took place outside normal school hours.

Shootings of any kind, of course, can be traumatic, regardless of whether they cause physical harm.

A month ago, for example, a group of college students were at a meeting of a criminal-justice club in Texas when a student accidentally fired a real gun, rather than a training weapon. The bullet went through a wall, then a window. Though no one was hurt, it left the student distraught.

Is that a school shooting, though? Yes, Everytown says.

“Since 2013,” the organization says on its website, “there have been nearly 300 school shootings in America — an average of about one a week.”

But since Everytown began its tracking, it has included these examples — in August 2013, a man shot on a Tennessee high school’s property at 2 a.m.; in December 2014, a man shot in his car late one night and discovered the next day in a Pennsylvania elementary school’s parking lot; in August 2015, a man who climbed atop the roof of an empty Texas school on a Sunday morning and fired sporadically; in January 2016, a man in an Indiana high school parking lot whose gun accidentally went off in his glove box, before any students had arrived on campus; in December 2017, two teens in Washington state who shot up a high school just before midnight on New Year’s Eve, when the building was otherwise empty.

In 2015, The Post’s Fact Checker awarded the group’s figures — invoked by Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) — four Pinocchios for misleading methodology.

Another database, the Gun Violence Archive, defines school shootings in much narrower terms, considering only those that take place during school hours or extracurricular activities.

Yet many journalists rely on Everytown’s data. Post media critic Erik Wemple included the 18 figure in a column Wednesday night, and Michael Barbaro, host of the New York Times’ podcast “The Daily,” used the number to punctuate the end of his Thursday show.

Much like trying to define a mass shooting, deciding what is and is not a school shooting can be difficult. Some obviously fit the common-sense definition: Last month, a teen in Texas opened fire in a school cafeteria, injuring a 15-year-old girl.

Others that Everytown includes on its list, though, are trickier to categorize.

About 6 p.m. Jan. 10, a bullet probably fired from off campus hit the window of a building at a college in Southern California. No one was hurt, but students could still have been frightened. Classes were canceled, rooms were locked down and police searched campus for the gunman, who was never found.

On Feb. 5, a police officer was sitting on a bench in a Minnesota school gym when a third-grader accidentally pulled the trigger of his holstered pistol, firing a round into the floor. None of the four students in the gym were injured, but, again, the incident was probably scary.

What is not in dispute is gun violence’s pervasiveness and its devastating impact on children. A recent study of World Health Organization data published in the American Journal of Medicine that found that, among high-income nations, 91 percent of children younger than 15 who were killed by bullets lived in the United States.

And the trends are only growing more dire.

On average, two dozen children are shot every day in the United States, and in 2016 more youths were killed by gunfire — 1,637 — than during any previous year this millennium.

[revkevsdi]

35 minutes ago, XCR1250 said:

Because the "Root Causes" are the reason this thing happens.

 Everyone I knew growing up had Firearms in their homes, my Dad gave me my first 2 Firearms in 1956 when I was 9 years old, a single shot 12 gauge and a 22 16 shot semi-automatic rifle, 2 years later I got a Luger style 22 caliber semi auto pistol. No one ever shot anyone, and many of us got together for target practice or went Hunting.

We're seeing a Moral breakdown of Society where wrong is right & right is wrong, where anything goes is acceptable,..It has zero to do with Firearm ownership.

Anecdotal vs statistical evidence. Are you being willfully ignorant or do you really not see the difference. Many people on right wing sites will talk about no go zones in England and Germany. Many of those countries talk about breakdowns on society. The same “root causes” that you claim are to blame for mass shootings. 

How many mass stabbing, bombings and vehiclular attacks happened in all of Western Europe, Australia and Canada in 2018 vs the 41 you’ve had?

You believe people will find another way but the truth is, they don’t.  

 

[XCR1250]

1 minute ago, revkevsdi said:

Anecdotal vs statistical evidence. Are you being willfully ignorant or do you really not see the difference. Many people on right wing sites will talk about no go zones in England and Germany. Many of those countries talk about breakdowns on society. The same “root causes” that you claim are to blame for mass shootings. 

How many mass stabbing, bombings and vehiclular attacks happened in all of Western Europe, Australia and Canada in 2018 vs the 41 you’ve had?

You believe people will find another way but the truth is, they don’t.  

 

Take Guns away and they WILL find another method to kill..Can't believe you're that dumb, or it it simply an act?

[steve from amherst]

They don't because they don't have too. Take away the guns and they will find another way. Or quit being lazy and looking for a simple solution ( and there isn't one ) to a complex problem.

[revkevsdi]

10 minutes ago, snoughnut said:

Seemed? Good god are you a fucking idiot.

Try answering the question. 

[Ez ryder]

10 hours ago, Wildboer said:

Ok cool, then we need to further limit the number of rounds in a clip/magazine. 10 shots max sound good? Also eliminate the personal sale and gun show loopholes...

Dude, these kids know stacking wood is being automated. All this shit is being automated. Those aren't useful skills to have in the current day.

 

Who said I can't have kids? Lmfao 

also bullshit made for tv head lines try to go to a gun show . no dealer can sell you a gun with out a background . it wont happen theses guys know how many under covers there are trying to bust there ass .

you will have a very hard time buying a firearm from a privet party with out a ffl or carry permit no one wants the liability attached to it .

 

[revkevsdi]

2 minutes ago, XCR1250 said:

Take Guns away and they WILL find another method to kill..Can't believe you're that dumb, or it it simply an act?

Ok prove it. Where are these other incidents In countries with strict gun control? How many per year vs your Country l?

[revkevsdi]

4 minutes ago, steve from amherst said:

They don't because they don't have too. Take away the guns and they will find another way. Or quit being lazy and looking for a simple solution ( and there isn't one ) to a complex problem.

They don’t because it fucking easy when you have a gun. A lone person can’t stab 17 kids to death and wound 15 others. When has one person ever done that?  

[XCR1250]

1 minute ago, revkevsdi said:

Ok prove it. Where are these other incidents In countries with strict gun control? How many per year vs your Country l?

We're talking about the issue in the USA, not other countries, try to stay on topic.

 Whiskey Tango Foxtrot had the right answer yesterday in his list of why it happens here, the list is incomplete but gets to the "Route Cause" of why this happens in the USA.

[Wildboer]

1 minute ago, Ez ryder said:

also bullshit made for tv head lines try to go to a gun show . no dealer can sell you a gun with out a background . it wont happen theses guys know how many under covers there are trying to bust there ass .

you will have a very hard time buying a firearm from a privet party with out a ffl or carry permit no one wants the liability attached to it .

 

Ok cool, so let's do nothing. It's the American way after all. Be fat, lazy, and do jack fucking shit about our own problems while we play world police. 

[steve from amherst]

4 minutes ago, revkevsdi said:

They don’t because it fucking easy when you have a gun. A lone person can’t stab 17 kids to death and wound 15 others. When has one person ever done that?  

They havnt , they drive over them with trucks instead

[BOHICA]

Just put some security at school.

[Wildboer]

3 minutes ago, steve from amherst said:

They havnt , they drive over them with trucks instead

Good thing you can't drive through schools...

 

[motonoggin]

1 hour ago, XCR1250 said:

Because the "Root Causes" are the reason this thing happens.

 Everyone I knew growing up had Firearms in their homes, my Dad gave me my first 2 Firearms in 1956 when I was 9 years old, a single shot 12 gauge and a 22 16 shot semi-automatic rifle, 2 years later I got a Luger style 22 caliber semi auto pistol. No one ever shot anyone, and many of us got together for target practice or went Hunting.

We're seeing a Moral breakdown of Society where wrong is right & right is wrong, where anything goes is acceptable,..It has zero to do with Firearm ownership.

Thanks capitalist society!

[Ez ryder]

Just now, Wildboer said:

Ok cool, so let's do nothing. It's the American way after all. Be fat, lazy, and do jack fucking shit about our own problems while we play world police. 

every thing you state already is in place .   again it is the way we are raising our kids . this shit was not a thing when I was a kid and lots of people had guns in there trunks . you had a issue you went out back after school punched it out and moved on .get bulled find the fucker starting the most shit cheep shot him with a boot in the mouth fight it out move on . or at min take your week self out . not this narcissistic batch oh no every one has to suffer if I am going to suffer .  

[Ez ryder]

1 minute ago, Wildboer said:

Good thing you can't drive through schools...

 

but you can drive around the sidewalk outside the bus ring . bet you could do better than 18

[revkevsdi]

6 minutes ago, steve from amherst said:

They havnt , they drive over them with trucks instead

Ok how many times in 2018 has that happened?

[Whiskey Tango Foxtrot]

9 minutes ago, XCR1250 said:

We're talking about the issue in the USA, not other countries, try to stay on topic.

 Whiskey Tango Foxtrot had the right answer yesterday in his list of why it happens here, the list is incomplete but gets to the "Route Cause" of why this happens in the USA.

There's not enough ink in my phone to complete the list. Glad you got my point though!  

[Ez ryder]

1 minute ago, motonoggin said:

Thanks capitalist society!

so in the 70s and 80s when I was going to school we were not a capitalist society ? shut the fuck up with that ridiculous shit

[revkevsdi]

12 minutes ago, XCR1250 said:

We're talking about the issue in the USA, not other countries, try to stay on topic.

 Whiskey Tango Foxtrot had the right answer yesterday in his list of why it happens here, the list is incomplete but gets to the "Route Cause" of why this happens in the USA.

You say that because it doesn’t fit with your narrative. Every other county has those “root problems”. They don’t have the access to guns for these nutbars to live out their fantasies. 

End result far lower murder rate, far lower mass killings. 

Idiots that claim gun free zones are the same are fooling themselves. What is to stop someone from driving into a gun free zone with a car full of weapons?