Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/02/11/trump-to-unveil-plan-making-brutal-changes-to-government-worker-pay-and-unions-are-already-angry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted February 12, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 12, 2018 BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted February 12, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 12, 2018 The resident liberals will be along any minute screaming " race to the bottom " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot said: https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/02/11/trump-to-unveil-plan-making-brutal-changes-to-government-worker-pay-and-unions-are-already-angry Yep...been reading up on this. Excellent! 1 minute ago, steve from amherst said: The resident liberals will be along any minute screaming " race to the bottom " Librulz crying means .......more win! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Federal employees have had easy street for too long. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 This president is leaving no stone unturned. I love it. Can’t imagine why anyone would be against this kind of reform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Explain why federal employees have had it easy and get paid too much......GO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 16 minutes ago, Edmo said: Can’t imagine why anyone would be against this kind of reform. 15 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Explain why federal employees have had it easy and get paid too much......GO And we’re off... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 19 minutes ago, Edmo said: This president is leaving no stone unturned. I love it. Can’t imagine why anyone would be against this kind of reform. No shit. This will fix .000000576 of the deficit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 on paper this looks good, making it like the private sector. but if it turns into hiring people with 0 experience to save a buck, or cheapen the position much more than the private sector and get poor employees, then I'm not a fan. a gov job should pay the same as the private sector equivalent imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 This is how you get the best people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: on paper this looks good, making it like the private sector. but if it turns into hiring people with 0 experience to save a buck, or cheapen the position much more than the private sector and get poor employees, then I'm not a fan. a gov job should pay the same as the private sector equivalent imo. Did you read the article? The Associated Press noted that moving to performance-based work could lead to the termination of many government employees with poor work reviews. However, for the majority of the government’s 2.8 million workers, its unclear how the changes will affect them. 27 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Explain why federal employees have had it easy and get paid too much......GO Trump is using the VA Accountability Act, which gave the Secretary of Veterans Affairs greater authority to fire and discipline workers, as a model. The White House says that law has resulted in the dismissal of 1,470 employees, the suspension of 443, demotions for 83 others last year. Edited February 12, 2018 by Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, Edmo said: And we’re off... Go ahead and explain. At least I read the link and it states what’s already been done decades ago. Pensions were eliminated in the Treasury in the 80’s. Pay raises are based on performance. Go your turn...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Go ahead and explain. At least I read the link and it states what’s already been done decades ago. Pensions were eliminated in the Treasury in the 80’s. Pay raises are based on performance. Go your turn...... Can somebody please “explain” something to the sites leeching eggplant? Thanx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Zambroski said: Can somebody please “explain” something to the sites leeching eggplant? Thanx. Lol! Nobody likes eggplant! Well played sir! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: on paper this looks good, making it like the private sector. but if it turns into hiring people with 0 experience to save a buck, or cheapen the position much more than the private sector and get poor employees, then I'm not a fan. a gov job should pay the same as the private sector equivalent imo. agreed if the benefits are the same as the private sector as well including healthcare and retirement across all gov jobs federal, state and local including removing any defined benefit retirements for those under 55, converting them into a defined contribution plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 12 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Go ahead and explain. At least I read the link and it states what’s already been done decades ago. Pensions were eliminated in the Treasury in the 80’s. Pay raises are based on performance. Go your turn...... Changes were made decades ago, that means everything is just ducky right now! Look at what happened to the VA for reference. Lots of dead weight in these departments. Clean it up please. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Go ahead and explain. At least I read the link and it states what’s already been done decades ago. Pensions were eliminated in the Treasury in the 80’s. Pay raises are based on performance. Go your turn...... Fed employees are still in FERS so they are getting a pension just not as good of one as CSRS. In 87 when the conversion was done that was more inline with private business (401k plus some defined benefit being common) for sure but the reality is for most Americans in the private sector there is no more defined benefit portion of the plans having been eliminated and converted to a straight 401k over the last 25 years. that has not happened at a federal government level with Fed employees getting their TSP as well as FERS. 80k a year gov employee retiring in their 60's with 20 years is making roughly 26k through FERS as well as collecting SS and getting their TSP And you can't really believe that many employees are not just pushed along the tables. Sure they are ranked and need to have a satisfactory to get their next step raise within grade but being a C students not hard. Sure grade increases once you reach certain levels become much more competitive but to say pay raises are solely based on performance is misleading IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, Angry ginger said: Fed employees are still in FERS so they are getting a pension just not as good of one as CSRS. In 87 when the conversion was done that was more inline with private business (401k plus some defined benefit being common) for sure but the reality is for most Americans in the private sector there is no more defined benefit portion of the plans having been eliminated and converted to a straight 401k over the last 25 years. that has not happened at a federal government level with Fed employees getting their TSP as well as FERS. 80k a year gov employee retiring in their 60's with 20 years is making roughly 26k through FERS as well as collecting SS and getting their TSP And you can't really believe that many employees are not just pushed along the tables. Sure they are ranked and need to have a satisfactory to get their next step raise within grade but being a C students not hard. Sure grade increases once you reach certain levels become much more competitive but to say pay raises are solely based on performance is misleading IMO. So you agree. But There are still many companies with pension plans especiallay military contractors. The high pay government complaints usually come during a recession when the government does not lay off as it still requires the same staffing during lean times. Government pay is very competitive and it has to be unless you use the White House model....just hire a floor sweeper to run security at Fort Knox....then every American suffers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 24 minutes ago, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot said: Lol! Nobody likes eggplant! Well played sir! Go back to HCS and play someone important because here your just an asshole som Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Mainecat said: Go back to HCS and play someone important because here your just an asshole som Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 53 minutes ago, spin_dry said: No shit. This will fix .000000576 of the deficit. 1500 employees cut from the VA. Go hire 1500 people with bennies and get back to us on your pennies on the dollar theory. Or just do the math. Either way your talking points are BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 13 minutes ago, Mainecat said: So you agree. But There are still many companies with pension plans especiallay military contractors. The high pay government complaints usually come during a recession when the government does not lay off as it still requires the same staffing during lean times. Government pay is very competitive and it has to be unless you use the White House model....just hire a floor sweeper to run security at Fort Knox....then every American suffers. the norm today is not that kind of retirement benefit and they should be representative of the norm And the government is highly overstaffed for the jobs they do the issue is a lack of investment in systems to make jobs less people intensive which will save over the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, Edmo said: 1500 employees cut from the VA. Go hire 1500 people with bennies and get back to us on your pennies on the dollar theory. Or just do the math. Either way your talking points are BS. it is pennies on the dollar in the overall scheme of things but sometimes the message is more important than the dollar saved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 1 hour ago, spin_dry said: No shit. This will fix .000000576 of the deficit. Yeah better to,do nothing 1 hour ago, Snoslinger said: on paper this looks good, making it like the private sector. but if it turns into hiring people with 0 experience to save a buck, or cheapen the position much more than the private sector and get poor employees, then I'm not a fan. a gov job should pay the same as the private sector equivalent imo. Yeah we know” just a drop in the bucket “ we should just raise taxes . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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