Muskoka1 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 9 hours ago, 1trailmaker said: Ya those Parents of autistic kids are whiners Ya the owners of the TTC need to shut the fuck up DOUG IS HERE with his big stick and no plan but revenge for Toronto - What you Liberals don't understand is that the $ supply isn't limitless-you can only borrow so much of other people's $ until they shut you down & want it back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 30 minutes ago, Muskoka1 said: What you Liberals don't understand is that the $ supply isn't limitless-you can only borrow so much of other people's $ until they shut you down & want it back! Doug will fix it since the PC have one balanced budget Federally and pne Provincially they are whizzes with money over the past 100 years Keep the dream going Muskoka1, every ONEWAY has that same vision that never happened So of all the things that Ontario spends money on, AUTISTIC kids are his first attack to cure hospital wait times and you defend this action 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 2 hours ago, irv said: Of course peoplekind isn't, you fool, it's all the other shit on top of it as well. He's an idiot. And yes, Trail, I have heard of Foreign Aid, it's been around for a while but that's not what I am talking about and you know it. https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/the-federal-government-spent-23-million-buying-631-new-cars-for-the-g7-summit-now-its-trying-to-sell-most-of-them-off https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/06/20/justin-trudeau-india-trip-budget_a_23464158/ https://globalnews.ca/news/3826253/ottawa-pays-settlement-of-31-25m-to-3-men-falsely-imprisoned-in-syria/ https://ipolitics.ca/2017/12/15/canada-buying-fighter-jets-colossal-waste-money/ A year later, in 2009, the House of Commons public safety committee, chaired by then-Conservative MP Garry Breitkreuz, recommended apologies and compensation for Almalki, El Maati and Nureddin. That was Harper giving 30 million to terrorist - anger level zero at the time from you and your new pals Yeah he lost the election and handed this over to Trudeau but the educated know how gave what and this includes OMAR I am glad Harper is gone as his last 2 years were terrible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irv Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 18 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: A year later, in 2009, the House of Commons public safety committee, chaired by then-Conservative MP Garry Breitkreuz, recommended apologies and compensation for Almalki, El Maati and Nureddin. That was Harper giving 30 million to terrorist - anger level zero at the time from you and your new pals Yeah he lost the election and handed this over to Trudeau but the educated know how gave what and this includes OMAR I am glad Harper is gone as his last 2 years were terrible All under the Liberal's watch. They had filed $100-million lawsuits against the federal government for its alleged role in their ordeals, which occurred between 2001 and 2003. https://globalnews.ca/news/3826253/ottawa-pays-settlement-of-31-25m-to-3-men-falsely-imprisoned-in-syria/ On behalf of the government of Canada, I wish to apologize to you…and your family for any role Canadian officials may have played in the terrible ordeal that all of you experienced in 2002 and 2003," Harper said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, irv said: All under the Liberal's watch. They had filed $100-million lawsuits against the federal government for its alleged role in their ordeals, which occurred between 2001 and 2003. https://globalnews.ca/news/3826253/ottawa-pays-settlement-of-31-25m-to-3-men-falsely-imprisoned-in-syria/ On behalf of the government of Canada, I wish to apologize to you…and your family for any role Canadian officials may have played in the terrible ordeal that all of you experienced in 2002 and 2003," Harper said. I am aware of the dates, are you aware that Harper decided they need to be compensated I know being a NEW ONEWAY is going to be hard on you, FACTS are no longer apart of your daily routine Harper gave 10's of millions away - THE RIGHT IS SILENT until Trudeau took over 2007 Ottawa has reached a $10-million settlement with Maher Arar over Canada's role in a U.S. decision to deport him to Syria, where he was jailed and tortured. Prime Minister Stephen Harper is scheduled to make the settlement announcement on Friday afternoon, when he will also issue a formal apology to Arar on behalf of Canadians.Sources told the CBC the government will also pick up Arar's legal fees. Arar, a Canadian citizen born in Syria, had originally sought $37-million in compensation and an official government apology. In previous comments, Harper said that any apology would accompany a settlement. Edited February 23, 2019 by 1trailmaker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 (edited) more for IRV It was the Harper government’s decision to, from 2008 to 2015, ignore the Charter of Rights, the Supreme Court and Canada’s obligation to rehabilitate child soldiers. Because of the Harper government’s obstinacy, Khadr’s lawyers applied for a court order to have him repatriated. In 2010, the Supreme Court again unanimously reiterated the severity of the rights violations suffered by Khadr: Because of the Harper government’s refusal to cooperate with the Obama administration, Khadr’s lawyers faced the prospect of a conviction in the illegal court in Guantanamo, based on evidence induced by torture. Khadr could have been sentenced to life in Guantanamo with no possibility of release. Or he could have pleaded guilty to an offence he never committed in exchange for an eight-year sentence and the right to serve it in Canada. Clearly, there was no sensible option for Khadr other than to lie and plead guilty — which he did in 2010. Not only did Canadian officials violate the rule of law when dealing with Khadr in 2003 and 2004, but from 2008 to 2015, the Harper government openly flouted the rule of law on a number of occasions. These violations tied in with the government’s narrative about Khadr — that he was a convicted terrorist who would pose a danger to Canada. By obfuscating the facts in this way, the government tangled itself deeper and deeper in a web of untruths. That web still entangles key Conservative party leaders. Had they been willing to describe the Khadr saga in a more balanced way from the start, the Harper government would have been in a position to repatriate Khadr much sooner, thus substantially reducing the $10.5 million settlement. Make no mistake: Khadr’s lawsuit would have succeeded eventually. The Trudeau government had no choice but to pay up — and the sooner the better, to minimize the total amount. but TRUDEAU But but but Edited February 23, 2019 by 1trailmaker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irv Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: I am aware of the dates, are you aware that Harper decided they need to be compensated I know being a NEW ONEWAY is going to be hard on you, FACTS are no longer apart of your daily routine Harper gave 10's of millions away - THE RIGHT IS SILENT until Trudeau took over Ottawa has reached a $10-million settlement with Maher Arar over Canada's role in a U.S. decision to deport him to Syria, where he was jailed and tortured. Prime Minister Stephen Harper is scheduled to make the settlement announcement on Friday afternoon, when he will also issue a formal apology to Arar on behalf of Canadians.Sources told the CBC the government will also pick up Arar's legal fees. Arar, a Canadian citizen born in Syria, had originally sought $37-million in compensation and an official government apology. In previous comments, Harper said that any apology would accompany a settlement. It wasn't Harper's decision, it was the courts. Nice try, Fail. Rob Nicholson, a Conservative MP who was minister of justice, foreign affairs and national defence during the Harper era, told reporters that “to the extent that false information was given to foreign agencies, which was apparently what this case was all about, they certainly deserved compensation.” Their lawyers eventually won a lengthy court battle against the RCMP and CSIS to gain access to thousands of heavily redacted files, amounting to hundreds of thousands of pages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 19 minutes ago, irv said: It wasn't Harper's decision, it was the courts. Nice try, Fail. Rob Nicholson, a Conservative MP who was minister of justice, foreign affairs and national defence during the Harper era, told reporters that “to the extent that false information was given to foreign agencies, which was apparently what this case was all about, they certainly deserved compensation.” Their lawyers eventually won a lengthy court battle against the RCMP and CSIS to gain access to thousands of heavily redacted files, amounting to hundreds of thousands of pages. and? now you are okay with giving 10's of millions to terrorist What do you think OMAR got his money for? courts how many appeals can we pay for before we payout anyway NEW ONEWAY enjoy your new position of NO FACTS and deny any put in front of you. sad really FACT HARPER PAID OUT 10'S OF MILLION TO TERRORIST Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muskoka1 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 hour ago, 1trailmaker said: Doug will fix it since the PC have one balanced budget Federally and pne Provincially they are whizzes with money over the past 100 years Keep the dream going Muskoka1, every ONEWAY has that same vision that never happened So of all the things that Ontario spends money on, AUTISTIC kids are his first attack to cure hospital wait times and you defend this action 100% What would you do to balance the budget? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Muskoka1 said: What would you do to balance the budget? Balancing does nothing as you would still be paying huge amounts of money on interest. How to get rid of the debt should be the question. (it will NEVER HAPPEN) If someone says RISE TAXES to pay for what we have already received that person would be shot. So instead we say Autistic kids must pay. FACT is we will never get out of this mess unless taxes are raised - no other way will solve this. But why bother when the rest of the world still owes Trillions of dollars what would we gain as a country or Province? Reality is OLD PEOPLE cost our health system billions in unnecessary treatment and pills by the handful. So lets start there and limit their visits and tack on service fees. If you don't work (stay at home parent even) you pay a service fee when using any of our government system from roads to hospitals how is that for a start? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muskoka1 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 hour ago, 1trailmaker said: Balancing does nothing as you would still be paying huge amounts of money on interest. How to get rid of the debt should be the question. (it will NEVER HAPPEN) If someone says RISE TAXES to pay for what we have already received that person would be shot. So instead we say Autistic kids must pay. FACT is we will never get out of this mess unless taxes are raised - no other way will solve this. But why bother when the rest of the world still owes Trillions of dollars what would we gain as a country or Province? Reality is OLD PEOPLE cost our health system billions in unnecessary treatment and pills by the handful. So lets start there and limit their visits and tack on service fees. If you don't work (stay at home parent even) you pay a service fee when using any of our government system from roads to hospitals how is that for a start? I'm sure "Old people" on fixed incomes wud love it-big voting block & getting bigger-won't happen-all a form of tax either way you cut it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Muskoka1 said: I'm sure "Old people" on fixed incomes wud love it-big voting block & getting bigger-won't happen-all a form of tax either way you cut it! so old people are whiners Fact is old people use 80% of our health money - you want to fix HALLWAY HEALTH CARE get rid of the old people holding beds for months if not years because the family doesn't want to look after them .Picking on Autistic Kids to start seems very DOUG FORD as he bashed them as violent people not wanted in his neighbourhood when he was on Toronto council Okay the PC's say they are serious about the deficit so to cure that DOUG will give Wealthy Businesses a tax break - great trickle down (never) idea You know boost an economy that is already moving well. sorry dude PC's don't have the answers either they just pretend too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muskoka1 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: so old people are whiners Fact is old people use 80% of our health money - you want to fix HALLWAY HEALTH CARE get rid of the old people holding beds for months if not years because the family doesn't want to look after them .Picking on Autistic Kids to start seems very DOUG FORD as he bashed them as violent people not wanted in his neighbourhood when he was on Toronto council Okay the PC's say they are serious about the deficit so to cure that DOUG will give Wealthy Businesses a tax break - great trickle down (never) idea You know boost an economy that is already moving well. sorry dude PC's don't have the answers either they just pretend too Getting rid of "old people" should go over well-the economy supposedly doing well based on federal & provincial deficits will be a mess when the next recession hits. You have to balance in the so-called good times so you don't go off the rails in the bad!--economics 101! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 21 minutes ago, Muskoka1 said: Getting rid of "old people" should go over well-the economy supposedly doing well based on federal & provincial deficits will be a mess when the next recession hits. You have to balance in the so-called good times so you don't go off the rails in the bad!--economics 101! you would think so but that is old school thinking, today we go with Debt vs GDP Economics 101 - the most debt means the most powerful? USA is just that but that isn't what economics teaches Why does the government need to spend during a recession? they didn't cause it nor can they stop one. We would never have a recession if spending was the easy fix..... and governments were responsible for them specially the Liberals since you thnk they keep spending, wouldn't that mean no recession ever I can't wait to see what DOUG does in his 4 years, either way it will be Wynne's fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 2 hours ago, 1trailmaker said: you would think so but that is old school thinking, today we go with Debt vs GDP Economics 101 - the most debt means the most powerful? USA is just that but that isn't what economics teaches Why does the government need to spend during a recession? they didn't cause it nor can they stop one. We would never have a recession if spending was the easy fix..... and governments were responsible for them specially the Liberals since you thnk they keep spending, wouldn't that mean no recession ever I can't wait to see what DOUG does in his 4 years, either way it will be Wynne's fault. Our economy is mainly consumer debt fueled. Not good long term. Businesses need to invest more but they aren't, now what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 2 hours ago, ArcticCrusher said: Our economy is mainly consumer debt fueled. Not good long term. Businesses need to invest more but they aren't, now what? Since the 70's this started world wide. Consumer debt is the only reason we have many multi billionaires APPLE couldn't even exist without it Visa and MasterCard sure lead the way for consumer spending,, back in the day you paid by cheque they changed this and made it the norm The government debt isn't going to change this fact whether its high or low Unemployment would have to climb quite a bit to make a recession, sooner or later it will happen as the Billionaires love them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 47 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: Since the 70's this started world wide. Consumer debt is the only reason we have many multi billionaires APPLE couldn't even exist without it Visa and MasterCard sure lead the way for consumer spending,, back in the day you paid by cheque they changed this and made it the norm The government debt isn't going to change this fact whether its high or low Unemployment would have to climb quite a bit to make a recession, sooner or later it will happen as the Billionaires love them Oh shut up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 1 minute ago, ArcticCrusher said: Oh shut up. Constant growth is not possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sksman Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 4 hours ago, ArcticCrusher said: Our economy is mainly consumer debt fueled. Not good long term. Businesses need to invest more but they aren't, now what? Consumer debt fuelled? Or government Debt fuelled? The Liberals go crazy with huge deficit spending to grow the economy thinking the way Fail repeats here. We are doomed when politicians and Fail think the same. Zero business sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 (edited) who should fuel the economy Remember your parents bought a new washing machine and hod it for 33 years working 100%? Edited February 24, 2019 by 1trailmaker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Sksman said: Zero business sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muskoka1 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 13 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: You cannot create debt endlessly-$ gets siphoned off to pay it-slowing growth. You ultimately end up with hyper inflation-'20's Weimar Republic or deflation/depression-'30's-take your pick! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Muskoka1 said: You cannot create debt endlessly-$ gets siphoned off to pay it-slowing growth. You ultimately end up with hyper inflation-'20's Weimar Republic or deflation/depression-'30's-take your pick! so far for the last 60 years we have done just that but I have an i-pad Hydro? we are paying for our Parents that cheeped out on it Fuck Wynne for selling it fuck makes me mad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muskoka1 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 3 hours ago, 1trailmaker said: so far for the last 60 years we have done just that but I have an i-pad Hydro? we are paying for our Parents that cheeped out on it Fuck Wynne for selling it fuck makes me mad Hydro will be run more efficiently as a public corp.-rates are lower everywhere else in N.America-in U.S. all run by public corps.-not gov't run! Check very long term charts-every 60-80 yrs. you have a major economic problem-we are overdue for one/debt driven! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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