NaturallyAspirated Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake: https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/court-rules-against-oregon-bakers-who-refused-make-gay-wedding-n833321 Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toslow Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 what a sick fucken world we are becoming, fucken queers should bake there own cake 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Pretty sad....you should be able to do what you want with your business. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted December 29, 2017 Author Share Posted December 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, DAVE said: Pretty sad....you should be able to do what you want with your business. No limits at all? Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 4 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: No limits at all? Neal Why did i know you would ask that.... You knew exactly what I meant....but.... If I dont want to sell...make...bake...or whatever...to whomever...thats my decision....whether it be a good or a bad business decision...its my business. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted December 29, 2017 Author Share Posted December 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, DAVE said: Why did i know you would ask that.... You knew exactly what I meant....but.... If I dont want to sell...make...bake...or whatever...to whomever...thats my decision....whether it be a good or a bad business decision...its my business. For for being prophetic enough to know I'd ask, you seemed unable to answer the question... Neal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Just now, NaturallyAspirated said: For for being prophetic enough to know I'd ask, you seemed unable to answer the question... Neal Your question was stupid....thats why I knew you would ask it....its what you do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 17 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake: https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/court-rules-against-oregon-bakers-who-refused-make-gay-wedding-n833321 Neal The law is the law, if you don';t like the laws move somewhere else. Quote Following the incident, the Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries found the Kleins in violation of a 2007 state law that protects the rights of LGBTQ people in employment, housing and public accommodations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toslow Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 what about the rights of the business owner? seems like his rights to run his business as he see fit don't exist 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 11 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said: The law is the law, if you don';t like the laws move somewhere else. I wonder if there is the same law for non faggots. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 26 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Court rules against Oregon bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake: https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/court-rules-against-oregon-bakers-who-refused-make-gay-wedding-n833321 Neal Of course it's the right decision. That's the function of the justice system, to protect law-abiding citizens from these fucking religious fanatics. A fucking cake!!! Big fucking deal, bake the fucking cake, take the money, and get on with your fucking religion-obsessed fucking existence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 12 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said: The law is the law, if you don';t like the laws move somewhere else. They wanted a cake....not to be employed...to stay the night or to live at the bakery... That law has nothing to do with what happened here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toslow Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 has nothing to do with religion, it's about the rights to run your business as you see fit 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Kivalo Posted December 29, 2017 Gold Member Share Posted December 29, 2017 No, this is a bad ruling. The court should have ruled in their (baker's) favor and then the community should have joined together and refused to give the company business. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 1 minute ago, toslow said: has nothing to do with religion, it's about the rights to run your business as you see fit It has EVERYTHING to do with religion. Their defense was that they were Christians and could not bake a cake for a gay couple, based on their religious beliefs. The courts do not side with religious beliefs. Similar to that fucking ugly cunt in Kentucky who refused to issue a marriage license to a gay couple, based on her Christian beliefs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, DAVE said: They wanted a cake....not to be employed...to stay the night or to live at the bakery... That law has nothing to do with what happened here. It went to court, the court ruled on a state law. BTW what part of public accommodations don't you understand? Quote Following the incident, the Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries found the Kleins in violation of a 2007 state law that protects the rights of LGBTQ people in employment, housing and public accommodations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toslow Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Just now, polaris550 said: It has EVERYTHING to do with religion. Their defense was that they were Christians and could not bake a cake for a gay couple, based on their religious beliefs. The courts do not side with religious beliefs. Similar to that fucking ugly cunt in Kentucky who refused to issue a marriage license to a gay couple, based on her Christian beliefs. so there is no democracy left in the world, when a person has to bow down and do something that he don't believe in makes it a pretty shitty world we live in 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 4 minutes ago, Kivalo said: No, this is a bad ruling. The court should have ruled in their (baker's) favor and then the community should have joined together and refused to give the company business. OK, how about this scenario? Your mother comes into my bakery and wants a cake made. I say no, I don't like the Kivalo name and your nationality. How about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, toslow said: so there is no democracy left in the world, when a person has to bow down and do something that he don't believe in makes it a pretty shitty world we live in This IS democracy!! Equal treatment under the law!!! No law-abiding, peaceful American should ever be mis-treated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Kivalo Posted December 29, 2017 Gold Member Share Posted December 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, polaris550 said: OK, how about this scenario? Your mother comes into my bakery and wants a cake made. I say no, I don't like the Kivalo name and your nationality. How about that? She goes elsewhere and gets a better cake. Meanwhile I and the rest of the family tell everyone we know about your bigotry towards my nationality. You loose business and either change your policy or go out of business. What we dont do is run to tge government for legal action because you insulted us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 11 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said: It went to court, the court ruled on a state law. BTW what part of public accommodations don't you understand? He didnt want to make them a cake...he wasnt refusing them from buying anything available to buy in the store if i remember correctly....so you can shove your public accomidation up your ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Just now, Kivalo said: She goes elsewhere and gets a better cake. Meanwhile I and the rest of the family tell everyone we know about your bigotry towards my nationality. You loose business and either change your policy or go out of business. What we dont do is run to tge government for legal action because you insulted us. What if I'm the only bakery in town? What if the other bakers don't like Mama Kivalo either, and tell her to get out? What if you don't know that many people and the bakery still does plenty of business? What if a lot of people don't like your nationality, and they all still go to that bakery? Discrimination is AGAINST THE LAW!!! If you don't like the law................get it changed!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, DAVE said: He didnt want to make them a cake...he wasnt refusing them from buying anything available to buy in the store if i remember correctly....so you can shove your public accomidation up your ass. No, the court shoved it up THEIR BAKING ASSES!! They lost their business, and GOT FINED!!!! Rightly so!!! Religiou-freaks need to just fuckin' die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Kivalo Posted December 29, 2017 Gold Member Share Posted December 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, polaris550 said: What if I'm the only bakery in town? What if the other bakers don't like Mama Kivalo either, and tell her to get out? What if you don't know that many people and the bakery still does plenty of business? What if a lot of people don't like your nationality, and they all still go to that bakery? Discrimination is AGAINST THE LAW!!! If you don't like the law................get it changed!! Then it would seem my mother is shit outta luck. If I own a business I will damn sure reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. The public has the right to tell my business to go fly a kite and refuse to patronize my establishment. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 4 minutes ago, polaris550 said: No, the court shoved it up THEIR BAKING ASSES!! They lost their business, and GOT FINED!!!! Rightly so!!! Religiou-freaks need to just fuckin' die. Youre descriminating against the baker because hes religious....thats against the law.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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