Doomed

[Snake]

Earth Day, 1971:

1. “Civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.” — Harvard biologist George Wald
2. “We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human habitation.” — Washington University biologist Barry Commoner
3. “Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to enhance existence but to save the race from intolerable deterioration and possible extinction.” — New York Times editorial
4. “Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make. The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years.” — Stanford University biologist Paul Ehrlich
5. “Most of the people who are going to die in the greatest cataclysm in the history of man have already been born… [By 1975] some experts feel that food shortages will have escalated the present level of world hunger and starvation into famines of unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic, think the ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the decade of the 1980s.” — Paul Ehrlich
6. “It is already too late to avoid mass starvation,” — Denis Hayes, Chief organizer for Earth Day
7. “Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions…. By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine.” — North Texas State University professor Peter Gunter
8. “In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution… by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half.” — Life magazine
9. “At the present rate of nitrogen buildup, it’s only a matter of time before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere and none of our land will be usable.” — Ecologist Kenneth Watt
10. “Air pollution…is certainly going to take hundreds of thousands of lives in the next few years alone.” — Paul Ehrlich
11. “By the year 2000, if present trends continue, we will be using up crude oil at such a rate… that there won’t be any more crude oil. You’ll drive up to the pump and say, ‘Fill ‘er up, buddy,’ and he’ll say, ‘I am very sorry, there isn’t any.’” — Ecologist Kenneth Watt
12. “[One] theory assumes that the earth’s cloud cover will continue to thicken as more dust, fumes, and water vapor are belched into the atmosphere by industrial smokestacks and jet planes. Screened from the sun’s heat, the planet will cool, the water vapor will fall and freeze, and a new Ice Age will be born.” — Newsweek magazine
13. “The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.” — Kenneth Watt

[DriftBusta]

Environmentalism isn't a wacko religion or anything.

[XCR1250]

Frick'in Whackos

[Anler]

2 and 3 aren't that far off. 8 is happening in China. 11 is interesting because in 2001 is when we started hearing about "peak oil"

http://list25.com/the-25-most-polluted-places-on-earth/

http://cen.acs.org/articles/95/i4/Peering-Chinas-thick-haze-air.html

 

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Peak_oil

[DriftBusta]

16 minutes ago, Anler said:

2 and 3 aren't that far off. 8 is happening in China. 11 is interesting because in 2001 is when we started hearing about "peak oil"

http://list25.com/the-25-most-polluted-places-on-earth/

http://cen.acs.org/articles/95/i4/Peering-Chinas-thick-haze-air.html

 

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Peak_oil

Which is why if we're going to get all serious about the environment, we focus on places like China and India, and bring pressure to bear.  Why would we allow trade with countries that violate basic practices for protecting the environment?

[spin_dry]

i can only imagine how fucked up the environment would be had nixon not given the feds sweeping powers with the EPA. one of the finest decisions ever by a president. maybe the finest. 

[DriftBusta]

4 minutes ago, spin_dry said:

i can only imagine how fucked up the environment would be had nixon not given the feds sweeping powers with the EPA. one of the finest decisions ever by a president. maybe the finest. 

True, but thankfully Trump is giving their wings a little clip, which is badly needed.

[Ez ryder]

I am still waiting on the ice age I was promised over and over again  growing up . I keep buying new sleds holding out hope but I am starting to think I was lied to  

[Anler]

35 minutes ago, DriftBusta said:

Which is why if we're going to get all serious about the environment, we focus on places like China and India, and bring pressure to bear.  Why would we allow trade with countries that violate basic practices for protecting the environment?

I agree. 

[Anler]

15 minutes ago, Ez ryder said:

I am still waiting on the ice age I was promised over and over again  growing up . I keep buying new sleds holding out hope but I am starting to think I was lied to  

The earth is severely polluted and everyone should take that seriously. Nobody is going to predict an ice age or a super heated environmental. But can we stop living in the trash pile in the mean time?

[Im4snow]

8 minutes ago, Anler said:

The earth is severely polluted and everyone should take that seriously. Nobody is going to predict an ice age or a super heated environmental. But can we stop living in the trash pile in the mean time?

I vote we start by capping growth in population. Oh wait, our "social programs" aren't sustainable without growth in US population.....never the mind.  

[Anler]

1 minute ago, Im4snow said:

I vote we start by capping growth in population. Oh wait, our "social programs" aren't sustainable without growth in US population.....never the mind.  

Dude, stfu...

[Ez ryder]

2 minutes ago, Anler said:

The earth is severely polluted and everyone should take that seriously. Nobody is going to predict an ice age or a super heated environmental. But can we stop living in the trash pile in the mean time?

oh I disagree from the time I was in grade school in the 70s to in high school in the 80s people were predicting a mini Ice age hell not predicting it telling us it was going to happen .

even then I knew they were full of shit well by high school any way.

 we in the US don't live in a trash pile not even close . and until the people preaching that shit to me quit driving and flying privet and heating there homes and using a row 15 ton A/C units to cool there 100000 sf homes  will I even begin to take the hypocrisy seriously and start living as 1 with my mother earth

[Anler]

Just now, Ez ryder said:

oh I disagree from the time I was in grade school in the 70s to in high school in the 80s people were predicting a mini Ice age hell not predicting it telling us it was going to happen .

even then I knew they were full of shit well by high school any way.

 we in the US don't live in a trash pile not even close . and until the people preaching that shit to me quit driving and flying privet and heating there homes and using a row 15 ton A/C units to cool there 100000 sf homes  will I even begin to take the hypocrisy seriously and start living as 1 with my mother earth

Well if you think the US isn't severely polluted you are just an ignorant fuck. I make a living cleaning up the shit piles. And some could argue it's getting worse instead of better...

[Im4snow]

2 minutes ago, Anler said:

Dude, stfu...

I know, facts are uncomfortable to think about.

[Anler]

4 minutes ago, Im4snow said:

I know, facts are uncomfortable to think about.

You are not presenting "facts". You are just being a miserable cunt and helping to politicize something that shouldn't be. I am not even talking about climate change, I am talking about how so much of our water and soil is contaminated with toxins. And currently we have an administration that is trying to roll back environmental regulation. Currently in Indiana they have been increasing the amount of toxins the steel mills and chemical plants are allowed in Lake Michigan. Meanwhile they are recommending you don't eat the fish. 

Edited April 22, 2017 by Anler

[f7ben]

4 minutes ago, Anler said:

You are not presenting "facts". You are just being a miserable cunt and helping to politicize something that shouldn't be. I am not even talking about climate change, I am talking about how so much of our water and soil is contaminated with toxins. And currently we have an administration that is trying to roll back environmental regulation. Currently in Indiana they have been increasing the amount of toxins the steel mills and chemical plants are allowed in Lake Michigan. Meanwhile they are recommending you don't eat the fish. 

There should be significant setbacks to operating industry near any waterway , river lake etc etc. Zero is the acceptable number for pollutants emitted into a lake.

We just need to go ahead and regulate the dirty integrated mill out of existence .....mini-mills pollute about 3% as much 

[Im4snow]

9 minutes ago, Anler said:

You are not presenting "facts". You are just being a miserable cunt and helping to politicize something that shouldn't be. I am not even talking about climate change, I am talking about how so much of our water and soil is contaminated with toxins. And currently we have an administration that is trying to roll back environmental regulation. Currently in Indiana they have been increasing the amount of toxins the steel mills and chemical plants are allowed in Lake Michigan. Meanwhile they are recommending you don't eat the fish. 

Your simple mind that can't see beyond your own mirror missed the point.  Lets go ahead and double global population and see how clean the environment is, all else equal.   

[f7ben]

1 minute ago, Im4snow said:

Your simple mind that can't see beyond your own mirror missed the point.  Lets go ahead and double global population and see how clean the environment is, all else equal.   

We could easily double the population and reduce pollution at the same time...

[Anler]

4 minutes ago, f7ben said:

There should be significant setbacks to operating industry near any waterway , river lake etc etc. Zero is the acceptable number for pollutants emitted into a lake.

We just need to go ahead and regulate the dirty integrated mill out of existence .....mini-mills pollute about 3% as much 

Ben those mills are fucking HUUUGE. They are like cities within themselves and they are heavily polluted with heavy metals and chemicals. There isn't enough money to clean those places up so they let them continue so the area can keep some decent jobs. I hope Trump does offer incentives to bring the steel industry back with newer, cleaner and more efficient mills. But to think that we aren't one of if not the biggest polluter in the history of the world is just ignorant. 

[Anler]

3 minutes ago, Im4snow said:

Your simple mind that can't see beyond your own mirror missed the point.  Lets go ahead and double global population and see how clean the environment is, all else equal.   

STFU. Seriously

[f7ben]

2 minutes ago, Anler said:

Ben those mills are fucking HUUUGE. They are like cities within themselves and they are heavily polluted with heavy metals and chemicals. There isn't enough money to clean those places up so they let them continue so the area can keep some decent jobs. I hope Trump does offer incentives to bring the steel industry back with newer, cleaner and more efficient mills. But to think that we aren't one of if not the biggest polluter in the history of the world is just ignorant. 

The economy will dictate that those mills shut down ....and soon. They are expensive to run and only make money when the market is very good. I figured for sure this last down turn would end them for good. We need to shutter them and clean them up and the companies that ran them need to pay for it

[Rw06GT]

 

7 minutes ago, Im4snow said:

Your simple mind

That's being pretty generous.

[Anler]

Just now, f7ben said:

The economy will dictate that those mills shut down ....and soon. They are expensive to run and only make money when the market is very good. I figured for sure this last down turn would end them for good. We need to shutter them and clean them up and the companies that ran them need to pay for it

I won't hold my breath. They have been sold so many times that nobody will be responsible for the clean up. There is stuff that is so bad the govt is withholding it from the public because of the liability. We in the business know, but it isn't talked about publicly. 

[Anler]

Just now, Rw06GT said:

 

That's being pretty generous.

Another provocative post from Ricky Schroeder! Thanks Ricky!