Sksman Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 2 hours ago, 1trailmaker said: you are going to fire a guy that does't fit in, its pretty simple yuu have 10 employees (good going) one doesn't fit in and calls in sick all the time - fired - not many teens go to court over firing Not everyone works in dreamland where all the employees are pick and choose perfect. Its not where they call in sick all the time. It’s two extra days a year. plus the minimum 3 hours for shift cancellation without 48 or 96 hour notice. Plus the minimum 3 hour pay for being on standby if they are not called. Plus the added record keeping of all above will likely add many hours in admin time. Some businesses have employees who are great tradesmen or very skilled operators but also can be a pain in the ass. Yes you could fire them but then you loose a very good operator. Sometimes you have to tolerate a attitude for quality experience and work. And when you have to call the union hall for another operator who do you get when guys are in limited supply? This isn’t about an article I read in the paper. It’s about a new law that the Wynne Liberals have implemented and is coming into Ontario in 2019 that a business association has been studying with labour lawyers to determine the impact on their business and it is very concerning. Believe it or not. I have said enough on the topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 7 hours ago, 1trailmaker said: school buddies you would love them wop's look at the fuckn hair on these guys, still today full head just not so 80ish Gino's. Was never my look, did the Miami Vice for a bit. Hair never that long, fuck using a hair dryer, but still a full head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 7 hours ago, Sksman said: Okay. I will go back to my amateur job in an amateur business. LOL! It takes a new hire at least two years before I can send them out to a customer on their own, about 4 or 5 before they are running decent sized projects by themselves. I just had two engineers come back from India, one was there 2 weeks the other 3. Do you think I care if they want a personal day. And no they did not dress like our PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Blackstar Posted March 3, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 3, 2018 (edited) 13 hours ago, Sksman said: So add almost 1% to your labour cost? No issue right Fail. So basically a company with 100 employees now pays for 101? With no productivity from the extra body? Vacation pay is now 6% up from 4% for all employers. Blackstar, You now have to pay your guys for 2 sick days or paid holidays a year. Plus pay the 6% vacation pay. Workers who got 2 weeks vacation just added 7 extra days of holidays. Nope, actually been all through it this week and most of the changes won't effect me directly. My business is classified as seasonal so that gets us out of the bulk of the changes. Indirectly, every company I work with is increasing their rates by more than 5% to compensate for these changes. Partly Bill 148, partly the increased minimum wage. Just talked with my electrician on Wednesday. He's not sure what to do. He's done the math and Bill 148 will cost him $10k over a years time. His employees are looking for wage increases and he feels they just got a raise. He needs to stay competitive in the market so trying to maintain his rates until he sees what other companies do. I said screw waiting, just raise your rates. Everyone will have to. Everything we buy is going up. Edited March 3, 2018 by Blackstar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 13 hours ago, Sksman said: So add almost 1% to your labour cost? No issue right Fail. So basically a company with 100 employees now pays for 101? With no productivity from the extra body? Vacation pay is now 6% up from 4% for all employers. Blackstar, You now have to pay your guys for 2 sick days or paid holidays a year. Plus pay the 6% vacation pay. Workers who got 2 weeks vacation just added 7 extra days of holidays. That's alright... if you own the business and usually take 3 weeks of vacation a year for yourself.... just cancel your vacation and you can cover the extra time off for 3 of your employees. While you're at it since you likely have more than 3 employees forget about buying yourself that new truck or any new toys... by the way do you know how many ways there are to prepare Kraft Dinner. It's no biggie... just absorb the additional costs out of your millions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 9 hours ago, Sksman said: Sure Fail, you understand the law. Fire a guy that takes sick time. Too funny. What the hell do you think the employment standards inspectors are going to do when a person who called in sick is fired? Its a huge cost to small businesses. It’s a rain out for a landscaper and he has to pay every employee 3 hours for day because of shift cancel. You have to record when employees notified, hours before shift. For standby also 3hour minimum even if they do not get called out. And the recording of hours and overtime is a big issue. Fail understand the realities of business.. The closest he gets to real business is negotiating with his pot dealer. Fire a guy that takes the sick time enshrined in law without having to supply a doctors note in support just isn't going to happen. If it's a union situation then the union will fight tooth and nail even if you have video of the guy on the golf course the day he was supposedly sick. If it isn't yes you can fire the guy. Nothing says you have to keep him but you either terminate for cause or for some reason. Typically the reason is put on the Record of Employment you send into Service Canada. Then the guy gets a lawyer and fights it. You end up paying your legal fees as well as his plus a whole bunch of money, especially if you fill his job with a replacement. You can't claim he just wasn't needed anymore. I love your example of the landscaper.... so perfect. It's raining so you tell them not to come in. You pay them for the day. The forecast for the next day is 50% chance of rain. It may or it may not rain... you tell them you'll call them to let them know depending on whether it rains or not. Now they are on standby so you pay them yet again. Just wonderful for the guy who owns the landscape business. On a wet summer just imagine how much he'll pay out to his crews without any revenue to pay it from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sksman Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Even if they post pictures of themselves fishing or golfing it does not matter. They are given 2 days paid sick time with no note required. No excuse needed. For a union employer paying top rates they have to pay the hourly wage, the employment burdens such as cpp and EI and also the union contributions and vacation pay. Not just the hourly rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 30 minutes ago, Sksman said: Even if they post pictures of themselves fishing or golfing it does not matter. They are given 2 days paid sick time with no note required. No excuse needed. For a union employer paying top rates they have to pay the hourly wage, the employment burdens such as cpp and EI and also the union contributions and vacation pay. Not just the hourly rate. That isn't true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sksman Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: That isn't true Yes it is Fail. They are 2 no questions asked no notes required sick days. That was discussed with labour lawyer who has been working on implementing this for months with clients Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, Sksman said: Yes it is Fail. They are 2 no questions asked no notes required sick days. That was discussed with labour lawyer who has been working on implementing this for months with clients you are not allowed to ask for what illness the person has or treatments, posting a pic of them fishing disqualifies them from any leave and can also ask for notes in these cases A “qualified health practitioner” means a physician, a registered nurse or a psychologist qualified to practice in Ontario or in another jurisdiction in which care or treatment is provided to the employee or specified family member. An employer can ask an employee for a note from other types of health practitioners, such as a dentist, physiotherapist, Chinese medicine practitioner, naturopath or registered massage therapist, if it is “reasonable in the circumstances.” If it is reasonable in the circumstances for the employer to require the employee who took leave for their own illness, injury or medical emergency to provide a note from an individual who is not a physician, registered nurse or psychologist, the employer can ask only for the following information: the duration or expected duration of the absence the date the employee was seen by a health care professional whether the patient was examined in person by the health care professional issuing the note Employers cannot ask for information about the diagnosis or treatment of the employee’s medical condition. you can also ask for a note from a doctor that the person is able to return to work if you think the employee is just being a douche, you can go after him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: you are not allowed to ask for what illness the person has or treatments, posting a pic of them fishing disqualifies them from any leave and can also ask for notes in these cases A “qualified health practitioner” means a physician, a registered nurse or a psychologist qualified to practice in Ontario or in another jurisdiction in which care or treatment is provided to the employee or specified family member. An employer can ask an employee for a note from other types of health practitioners, such as a dentist, physiotherapist, Chinese medicine practitioner, naturopath or registered massage therapist, if it is “reasonable in the circumstances.” If it is reasonable in the circumstances for the employer to require the employee who took leave for their own illness, injury or medical emergency to provide a note from an individual who is not a physician, registered nurse or psychologist, the employer can ask only for the following information: the duration or expected duration of the absence the date the employee was seen by a health care professional whether the patient was examined in person by the health care professional issuing the note Employers cannot ask for information about the diagnosis or treatment of the employee’s medical condition. you can also ask for a note from a doctor that the person is able to return to work if you think the employee is just being a douche, you can go after him Perhaps the fishing is stress management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Perhaps the fishing is stress management. SK has it wrong, its not 2 days its 10 days they can take off - 10 days fishing atta cure stress levels lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 40 minutes ago, Sksman said: Yes it is Fail. They are 2 no questions asked no notes required sick days. That was discussed with labour lawyer who has been working on implementing this for months with clients Curious? What do you give employees that isn't the min required by law? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 3 hours ago, Sksman said: Yes it is Fail. They are 2 no questions asked no notes required sick days. That was discussed with labour lawyer who has been working on implementing this for months with clients I believe the law refers to them as personal days instead of sick days to leave it wide open as to why the person is off... a personal day would include a golf or fishing day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, 02sled said: I believe the law refers to them as personal days instead of sick days to leave it wide open as to why the person is off... a personal day would include a golf or fishing day. no it isn't not even in the slacker government union jobs Golf isn't on the list of qualified excuses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said: no it isn't not even in the slacker government union jobs Golf isn't on the list of qualified excuses This is net new... personal days.... is the term, not sick days... you want to bet people will claim personal time for stress... for some golf is stress management... for others it may increase stress. I guess it's relative to how good or how bad you are at it. People call in sick already when they aren't and are found doing things like playing golf. You think they're not going to do it with personal days as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 1 hour ago, 02sled said: This is net new... personal days.... is the term, not sick days... you want to bet people will claim personal time for stress... for some golf is stress management... for others it may increase stress. I guess it's relative to how good or how bad you are at it. People call in sick already when they aren't and are found doing things like playing golf. You think they're not going to do it with personal days as well. personal emergency leave (PEL) is the term No doubt people call in sick and play golf, others go shopping, or sit at home watching TV - really makes no difference now does it point is if the employer thinks the employee is lying and doesn't want pay him/her, company has options - you either know your employees or you don't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sksman Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 12 hours ago, ArcticCrusher said: Curious? What do you give employees that isn't the min required by law? Employees are entitled to 10 days off for sick. First 2 are paid. Next 8 do not have to be. First 2 do not require a note and can be used for whatever employee wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sksman Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 7 hours ago, 1trailmaker said: personal emergency leave (PEL) is the term No doubt people call in sick and play golf, others go shopping, or sit at home watching TV - really makes no difference now does it point is if the employer thinks the employee is lying and doesn't want pay him/her, company has options - you either know your employees or you don't No Fail you do not have options for first 2 days. Employer pays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 5 hours ago, Sksman said: No Fail you do not have options for first 2 days. Employer pays. well I posted right from the Ontario website that you do have options, you can not ask for a DOCTORS note doesn't mean you can't get proof for trouble employees. You seem to work with Union people so this shouldn't even be an issue as UNION BOYS get sick time for the most part Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 5 hours ago, Sksman said: Employees are entitled to 10 days off for sick. First 2 are paid. Next 8 do not have to be. First 2 do not require a note and can be used for whatever employee wants. So looks like you no longer have an advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sksman Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 2 hours ago, ArcticCrusher said: So looks like you no longer have an advantage. Not me. Maybe our clients. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revrnd Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Is Seabiscuit going to run on her economic record? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, revrnd said: Is Seabiscuit going to run on her economic record? Yup - stay the course - 2008 melt down - cause debt - Ontario came out well - stay the course - DOUG just not ready Sound familiar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2strokemerc Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 What will she do? With the province seemingly ready to vote out the Liberal party in the upcoming June election, a Forum Research poll conducted on March 11th, the day after Doug Ford was announced the PC leader, concludes the 416, which is traditionally a Liberal stronghold, could start turning Tory. Most notably, numbers suggest Kathleen Wynne’s riding in Don Valley West might go blue. In all, Forum concludes 15 seats may go into PC hands in the 416, there is currently one. http://www.680news.com/2018/03/13/wynne-election-poll/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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