Ontario has gone to hell under NinnyBag

[The Rocket]

12 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said:

you know what is meant by FREE

Apparently you don’t. 

[1trailmaker]

Fantino TOP COP  now TOP POT guy   get your license here, over here,  get em here

RCMP drug squad leader POT guy now   I was totally wrong what I once thought about POT

 

fucking unreal the irony

[ArcticCrusher]

3 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said:

Fantino TOP COP  now TOP POT guy   get your license here, over here,  get em here

RCMP drug squad leader POT guy now   I was totally wrong what I once thought about POT

 

fucking unreal the irony

Ate you happy?

[1trailmaker]

1 minute ago, ArcticCrusher said:

Ate you happy?

Always

These guys put alot of people in jail and or criminal records, should I be happy they will be capitalizing on this? 

If these two and others start lobbying for records to be disappear for all possession  charges that would be a more respectful thing to do while CASHING IN FROM THE INSIDE

 

 

 

[ArcticCrusher]

2 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said:

Always

These guys put alot of people in jail and or criminal records, should I be happy they will be capitalizing on this? 

If these two and others start lobbying for records to be disappear for all possession  charges that would be a more respectful thing to do while CASHING IN FROM THE INSIDE

 

 

 

[02sled]

16 hours ago, 1trailmaker said:

welfare is a necessary evil ,  I don't like the lifers either but if it wasn't welfare what would they be doing? 

I will take

free schools

free health care

add prescriptions

add dental

add glasses

 

I like municipal rinks

I like municipal pools

I like local water parks

I like park lands

I like free beaches

 

 

 

I can name more 02sled but which of these should no be free or subsidized

Well for a start... full day kindergarten really is nothing more than free day care, municipal rinks and pools... you choose to use it pay for it. It's the minority of the population that actually use those publicly paid for pools and rinks. I don't see government provided water parks in my area. If there were once again you want to use it you get to pay for it. Park lands tend to be initially provided by the developer. It's pretty typical that in order to get approval for your housing development you have to allocate a certain amount for parkland. After that there isn't really a whole lot of expense by the municipality other than over paying someone to cut the grass. Not a lot of free beaches around either. You want to go to most beaches and they are in provincial parks, which you pay to use. Wasaga being the biggest of them. Prescriptions, dental and glasses, you can pay for that yourself rather than dip into everyone else's pocket and if you can't afford them there are social programs already in place to help out those who can't.

Libraries... does anybody really still use those things.

How about free housing for everyone... I think that would be great. The guy who can afford a $1.5M house doesn't need one that big... make a whole bunch of cookie cutter 1300 sq. ft. houses and that's all anybody needs.... heavily tax those that are successful and give everyone that free house.

Edited November 15, 2017 by 02sled

[1trailmaker]

2 hours ago, 02sled said:

Well for a start... full day kindergarten really is nothing more than free day care, municipal rinks and pools... you choose to use it pay for it. It's the minority of the population that actually use those publicly paid for pools and rinks. I don't see government provided water parks in my area. If there were once again you want to use it you get to pay for it. Park lands tend to be initially provided by the developer. It's pretty typical that in order to get approval for your housing development you have to allocate a certain amount for parkland. After that there isn't really a whole lot of expense by the municipality other than over paying someone to cut the grass. Not a lot of free beaches around either. You want to go to most beaches and they are in provincial parks, which you pay to use. Wasaga being the biggest of them. Prescriptions, dental and glasses, you can pay for that yourself rather than dip into everyone else's pocket and if you can't afford them there are social programs already in place to help out those who can't.

Libraries... does anybody really still use those things.

How about free housing for everyone... I think that would be great. The guy who can afford a $1.5M house doesn't need one that big... make a whole bunch of cookie cutter 1300 sq. ft. houses and that's all anybody needs.... heavily tax those that are successful and give everyone that free house.

12 beaches just in Toronto, pretty sure among the most in the world for a city - but Not Many according to basement dweller 02ool 

 

You really haven't a clue about any of this - you seem to think there is a program in place for just about every thing   

 

stop being so miserable 02sled the end is nearing, why go out so negative and angry?  Is your life that bad?

[02sled]

31 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said:

12 beaches just in Toronto, pretty sure among the most in the world for a city - but Not Many according to basement dweller 02ool 

 

You really haven't a clue about any of this - you seem to think there is a program in place for just about every thing   

 

stop being so miserable 02sled the end is nearing, why go out so negative and angry?  Is your life that bad?

My life is great in fact. Retired early comfortably, currently have all the toys I want. 12 beaches in Toronto... okay if you really want to be picky. Something like saying CETA is 27 separate trade agreements. One park, Toronto Islands is 4 of those beaches. Marie Curtis in Etobicoke... been down there quite a few times and really never seen anyone swimming. Most common use for the park seems to be people launching their boat and Asians fishing for carp in the channel with the launch. Not sure I would want to swim there anyhow. Sunnyside beach they tend to use the pool rather than swim inside the breakwall. Cherry beach is likely the best used of the batch.

Water's kind of cold at the best of times. Now of the total nearly 6 million population of Toronto that pay taxes how many of them do you think use these beaches that we all pay for.

Bottom line there should be a lot more user pay situations and there wouldn't be anywhere near the cash crunch we face today.

Edited November 15, 2017 by 02sled

[1trailmaker]

2 minutes ago, 02sled said:

My life is great in fact. Retired early comfortably, currently have all the toys I want. 12 beaches in Toronto... okay if you really want to be picky. Something like saying CETA is 27 separate trade agreements. One park, Toronto Islands is 4 of those beaches. Marie Curtis in Etobicoke... been down there quite a few times and really never seen anyone swimming. Most common use for the park seems to be people launching their boat and Asians fishing for carp in the channel with the launch. Not sure I would want to swim there anyhow. Sunnyside beach they tend to use the pool rather than swim inside the breakwall. Cherry beach is likely the best used of the batch.

Water's kind of cold at the best of times. Now of the total nearly 6 million population of Toronto that pay taxes how many of them do you think use these beaches that we all pay for.

Bottom line there should be a lot more user pay situations and there wouldn't be anywhere near the cash crunch we face today.

we certainly could live like people did 125 years ago -  then you would feel era is right for you

I doubt anyone here agrees with your views on beaches or really anything else you come up with

You are miserable

[02sled]

6 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said:

we certainly could live like people did 125 years ago -  then you would feel era is right for you

I doubt anyone here agrees with your views on beaches or really anything else you come up with

You are miserable

You're a typical gimme gimme person who doesn't give a thought to where the money comes from. I'm not miserable at all. I just get tired of government stupidly believing they can spend my money much better and more wisely than I can. They piss away too much of it without any thought for value and best cost. I think you would be surprised how many people would support increased user fees for the "services" that very small percentages of the population actually use.

How is letting people pay for what they use and not pay for what they don't like it was 125 years ago. The problem with liberals is when they run out of other peoples money to spend.

The auditor general comes up with huge amounts of irresponsible waste year after year.

Edited November 15, 2017 by 02sled

[1trailmaker]

2 minutes ago, 02sled said:

You're a typical gimme gimme person who doesn't give a thought to where the money comes from. I'm not miserable at all. I just get tired of government stupidly believing they can spend my money much better and more wisely than I can. They piss away too much of it without any thought for value and best cost. I think you would be surprised how many people would support increased user fees for the "services" that very small percentages of the population actually use.

How is letting people pay for what they use and not pay for what they don't like it was 125 years ago. The problem with liberals is when they run out of other peoples money to spend.

so you believe all the beaches and park lands should be privately owned?  charge entry fees? 

I vote no to your idea of what makes a great place to live

 

bold is interesting considering which parties have racked up the most debt, and ran the most deficits - I would be okay with you saying governments spend others money

Who should be able to buy Algonquin park?  waste of money?

[02sled]

16 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said:

so you believe all the beaches and park lands should be privately owned?  charge entry fees? 

I vote no to your idea of what makes a great place to live

 

bold is interesting considering which parties have racked up the most debt, and ran the most deficits - I would be okay with you saying governments spend others money

Who should be able to buy Algonquin park?  waste of money?

You're making things up again.... I didn't say the beaches and parks should be privately owned. Show me where I did... I won't hold my breath. Nothing wrong with having a user fee associated with using some of the facilities. If I wanted to use one of the city pools I wouldn't have a problem with paying to use the pool. If I wanted to use one of those beaches I wouldn't have a problem paying for the parking to provide funding for the maintenance of the park. As for Algonquin and other provincial parks there are user fees in place already. We launched the boat in a nearby provincial park to cruise the lake for the day. The cost was $20. It was very reasonable and if it was even higher would still be reasonable. So what is wrong with user fees for more of the things that a small portion of the population actually use.

To apply your thinking the provincial parks should open up the doors and be no charge to everyone. Heck... let's get the province to pay for the full overhead of the snowmobile trails while we are at it.

[1trailmaker]

54 minutes ago, 02sled said:

let's get the province to pay for the full overhead of the snowmobile trails while we are at it.

best idea yet

they don't do near enough, I know you think because only a small portion of people sled they don't count but the money generated by sledders is huge to the province -  You are always way off

 

[02sled]

1 hour ago, 1trailmaker said:

best idea yet

they don't do near enough, I know you think because only a small portion of people sled they don't count but the money generated by sledders is huge to the province -  You are always way off

 

Then lets go totally socialist... everyone supplied a government paid for home, a government paid for car, why should anyone have something not everyone else can have.

[The Rocket]

46 minutes ago, 02sled said:

Then lets go totally socialist... everyone supplied a government paid for home, a government paid for car, why should anyone have something not everyone else can have.

The Liberals have started a program of guaranteed income so we are getting closer. 

[02sled]

I was traveling yesterday and as I lost my radio station I hit scan and it came to CBC radio. They had a call in show with Wynnebag. People were beating her up pretty bad and the host seemed to be trying to defend her to a degree. The two things they were calling on were the minimum wage and the college strike. The vote rejecting the offer for the strike had just happened. She kept saying over and over how she has been monitoring it closely and will be meeting with both sides later in the day. One caller told her about how his daughter is tied into a lease, worked away from home all summer to save money to help pay for school and they are just managing to pay for her education. They are coming out on the losing end and it's a significant financial impact to his family. Next tuition payments are now due. Her lame answer was that the colleges were creating a fund to help those in financial need. What college student isn't in financial need when they pay tuition, housing etc. that they don't receive.

Another caller is a small business owner. He says he has been doing the math over and over. The minimum wage may well force him to close the doors and put 20 people out of their jobs. Part of the staff are minimum wage. I think he said just over half. He can't absorb the increased labour costs and stay profitable. He points out that if the minimum wage goes up 33% the rest of the staff will want a 33% increase as well. It's not only the wage that goes up but the employer payments to WSIB, EI and CPP also go up. The 1% tax savings won't put a dent in it and he says it's a smoke screen, nothing more. Wynnebag doesn't believe that those already earning $15 / hour will want a 33% raise as well. She thinks that it's a matter of playing catch up. Those who have been earning $15 have been getting raises while those at minimum wage haven't.

She really isn't in touch with reality.

[The Rocket]

17 minutes ago, 02sled said:

I was traveling yesterday and as I lost my radio station I hit scan and it came to CBC radio. They had a call in show with Wynnebag. People were beating her up pretty bad and the host seemed to be trying to defend her to a degree. The two things they were calling on were the minimum wage and the college strike. The vote rejecting the offer for the strike had just happened. She kept saying over and over how she has been monitoring it closely and will be meeting with both sides later in the day. One caller told her about how his daughter is tied into a lease, worked away from home all summer to save money to help pay for school and they are just managing to pay for her education. They are coming out on the losing end and it's a significant financial impact to his family. Next tuition payments are now due. Her lame answer was that the colleges were creating a fund to help those in financial need. What college student isn't in financial need when they pay tuition, housing etc. that they don't receive.

Another caller is a small business owner. He says he has been doing the math over and over. The minimum wage may well force him to close the doors and put 20 people out of their jobs. Part of the staff are minimum wage. I think he said just over half. He can't absorb the increased labour costs and stay profitable. He points out that if the minimum wage goes up 33% the rest of the staff will want a 33% increase as well. It's not only the wage that goes up but the employer payments to WSIB, EI and CPP also go up. The 1% tax savings won't put a dent in it and he says it's a smoke screen, nothing more. Wynnebag doesn't believe that those already earning $15 / hour will want a 33% raise as well. She thinks that it's a matter of playing catch up. Those who have been earning $15 have been getting raises while those at minimum wage haven't.

She really isn't in touch with reality.

Min wage in Ontario is now a $32,000 a year job. 

[02sled]

35 minutes ago, The Rocket said:

Min wage in Ontario is now a $32,000 a year job. 

Wynnebag says the economy is doing so well yet her own TV ad portrays a guy who worked I think 23 years and lost his job but can now only find part time. Which is it. The economy is strong and therefore he should be able to get a replacement job in a flash or he really is having a hard time.

[revrnd]

39 minutes ago, 02sled said:

Wynnebag says the economy is doing so well yet her own TV ad portrays a guy who worked I think 23 years and lost his job but can now only find part time. Which is it. The economy is strong and therefore he should be able to get a replacement job in a flash or he really is having a hard time.

Maybe he can be retrained for the 'new' economy? I bet he'd be really interested in an IT job.

[1trailmaker]

1 hour ago, 02sled said:

Wynnebag says the economy is doing so well yet her own TV ad portrays a guy who worked I think 23 years and lost his job but can now only find part time. Which is it. The economy is strong and therefore he should be able to get a replacement job in a flash or he really is having a hard time.

wrong

A strong economy isn't measured by you being able to get a replacement job - sorry this is just fact

 

RR is at a certain level of employment, if he lost his job the chances of him finding another one at this level would be very small.  Not saying it wouldn't happen but it wouldn't be over the next week or even the next year.  This has nothing to do with the economy

 

 

 

 

[Usedtoskidoo]

bottom line is the government should stay the hell out of our business and lives.

[The Rocket]

8 hours ago, 1trailmaker said:

wrong

A strong economy isn't measured by you being able to get a replacement job - sorry this is just fact

 

RR is at a certain level of employment, if he lost his job the chances of him finding another one at this level would be very small.  Not saying it wouldn't happen but it wouldn't be over the next week or even the next year.  This has nothing to do with the economy

 

 

 

 

Well - your example is wrong.

Your example would be considered “under-employment” and not an example of a strong economy. 

Edited November 18, 2017 by The Rocket

[1trailmaker]

4 minutes ago, The Rocket said:

Well - your example is wrong. It would probably take less than 24 hrs with multiple choices and a cheque to go along with it. But that’s one of the benefits of our business. 

Your example would be considered “under-employment” and not an example of a strong economy. 

my example is correct, you just said it......   It has nothing to do with a strong economy is what i said and you agreed

 

and lol RR you have moved your status to 02sled heights being the best person to be  hired for any job  

[The Rocket]

24 minutes ago, 1trailmaker said:

my example is correct, you just said it......   It has nothing to do with a strong economy is what i said and you agreed

 

and lol RR you have moved your status to 02sled heights being the best person to be  hired for any job  

People being “under employed” is not a sign of a strong economy. It’s the opposite. After the 2008 financial crisis “under employment” was a big issue in the US. 

It is not my status. It is a function of my industry. Competing firms are always looking to poach guys from other firms. 

[1trailmaker]

2 minutes ago, The Rocket said:

People being “under employed” is not a sign of a strong economy. It’s the opposite. After the 2008 financial crisis “under employment” was a big issue in the US. 

It is not my status. It is a function of my industry. Competing firms are always looking to poach guys from other firms. 

We all know You and 02sled are an employers dream, I guess I was referring to the rest of us in the world and not you two

next time i will use another person as an example and not someone of your great stature

 

Either way if someone losses a job and can only find partime work isn't an indicator of a weak economy - its that simple