jtssrx Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I have no inside info. I do have one friend that owns a Yamaha Dealer in New York. I also have a buddy who used to be sponsored by Yamaha. I talked to both of them and one of the biggest dealers in Michigan. They all say the cut from 37 models to 12 is all about getting ready for next year. apparently, Yamaha and Textron didn't renew the deal cat had with Yamaha. Also, Textron owns a company in Europe that builds high-performance four-stroke motors. Have you guys heard anything on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, jtssrx said: I have no inside info. I do have one friend that owns a Yamaha Dealer in New York. I also have a buddy who used to be sponsored by Yamaha. I talked to both of them and one of the biggest dealers in Michigan. They all say the cut from 37 models to 12 is all about getting ready for next year. apparently, Yamaha and Textron didn't renew the deal cat had with Yamaha. Also, Textron owns a company in Europe that builds high-performance four-stroke motors. Have you guys heard anything on this? Yamaha has 12 models? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 20, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, jtssrx said: I have no inside info. I do have one friend that owns a Yamaha Dealer in New York. I also have a buddy who used to be sponsored by Yamaha. I talked to both of them and one of the biggest dealers in Michigan. They all say the cut from 37 models to 12 is all about getting ready for next year. apparently, Yamaha and Textron didn't renew the deal cat had with Yamaha. Also, Textron owns a company in Europe that builds high-performance four-stroke motors. Have you guys heard anything on this? Yes I've heard this and lots of "rumors". The most common is Yamaha is done with sleds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, DAVE said: Yamaha has 12 models? Sidewinder blue sidewinder spring order sidewinder sidewinder with red shocks SRX sidewinder etc 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Just now, Rod Johnson said: Sidewinder blue sidewinder spring order sidewinder sidewinder with red shocks SRX sidewinder etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Whatever happens I hope Yamaha stays in the sled business. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T1R9sledder Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 17 minutes ago, Highmark said: Yes I've heard this and lots of "rumors". The most common is Yamaha is done with sleds. If that's the case my friends I ride with won't be happy. They all have Yamahas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 The other Rumor that was given to me is that Textron isn't really big on sleds. That they are working on a deal to sell just the sled division of Cat to Yamaha. But that doesn't make sense to me as it appears as though Yamaha winding that relationship down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 20, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 20, 2018 Just now, jtssrx said: The other Rumor that was given to me is that Textron isn't really big on sleds. That they are working on a deal to sell just the sled division of Cat to Yamaha. But that doesn't make sense to me as it appears as though Yamaha winding that relationship down I don't see this happening. ATV's are seasonal like sleds and they balance out factory OH's. Textron moved one of its own UTV's production to Thief River Falls. On top of that Cat ATV/UTV sales are helped by the hardcore Cat sled faithful. They would be stupid to cut this link. Few Cat dealers I've seen want the relationship cut as they feel Yamaha gets the vast majority of sales on the Turbo models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Highmark said: I don't see this happening. ATV's are seasonal like sleds and they balance out factory OH's. Textron moved one of its own UTV's production to Thief River Falls. On top of that Cat ATV/UTV sales are helped by the hardcore Cat sled faithful. They would be stupid to cut this link. Few Cat dealers I've seen want the relationship cut as they feel Yamaha gets the vast majority of sales on the Turbo models. Atvs are not seasonal whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 20, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 20, 2018 11 minutes ago, T1R9sledder said: If that's the case my friends I ride with won't be happy. They all have Yamahas. I hope Yamaha dives back in with their own chassis but I just don't see it happening. My bet if we are to see further Yamaha's it will need to be tied with another mfg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 20, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, DAVE said: Atvs are not seasonal whatsoever. Not like sleds and mowers but it is seasonal. Of course location plays a role. http://www.csewebsolutions.com/case-studies/motor-city-atv-ecommerce/#tab4 Motor City ATV sales volume is seasonal with peaks and valleys and the strongest months in early Spring and into Summer. Edited March 20, 2018 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted March 20, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 20, 2018 @f7ben this must be another example of what Bennytoomany claims is the best sledding market ever......sledding is strong as ever according .7Momo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T1R9sledder Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, Highmark said: I hope Yamaha dives back in with their own chassis but I just don't see it happening. My bet if we are to see further Yamaha's it will need to be tied with another mfg. I agree.....a lot $$$$ for a very limited market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Highmark said: Not like sleds and mowers but it is seasonal. http://www.csewebsolutions.com/case-studies/motor-city-atv-ecommerce/#tab4 Motor City ATV sales volume is seasonal with peaks and valleys and the strongest months in early Spring and into Summer. Think for a minute...over half of your country doesnt get snow. Most of the big atv Jamborees in the south are Feb and Mar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 20, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, DAVE said: Think for a minute...over half of your country doesnt get snow. Most of the big atv Jamborees in the south are Feb and Mar. Like I said, not nationwide and not like other markets but it is seasonal. Dude I use to make accessories for an ATV company....those sales were very seasonal. But hey I guess what I built was an outlier. Edited March 20, 2018 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 23 minutes ago, Highmark said: Like I said, not nationwide and not like other markets but it is seasonal. Dude I use to make accessories for an ATV company....those sales were very seasonal. But hey I guess what I built was an outlier. You edited your post and added location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
small-bore Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 38 minutes ago, jtssrx said: The other Rumor that was given to me is that Textron isn't really big on sleds. That they are working on a deal to sell just the sled division of Cat to Yamaha. But that doesn't make sense to me as it appears as though Yamaha winding that relationship down I was thinking about that yesterday. I rarely see a cat version of the yamacats. All vipers and sidewinders. I could see Yamaha buying Cat out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted March 20, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted March 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, small-bore said: I was thinking about that yesterday. I rarely see a cat version of the yamacats. All vipers and sidewinders. I could see Yamaha buying Cat out. Sad day for snowmobiling if either "get out." Wonder if Yamaha purchased Cat would we still see both brands stand alone or would it be Arctic Cat by Yamaha and no Yamaha stand alone brand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, small-bore said: I was thinking about that yesterday. I rarely see a cat version of the yamacats. All vipers and sidewinders. I could see Yamaha buying Cat out. The yammi version looks better and people were worried about cat clutches. But as it turns out the yammis are having more issues than the cats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Hard to say with all this fuckery and shit seasons the last few years. IMO, I'd love to see a seperation between the Yammi and Cat and see Yammy build their own sleds again. I'd love to see them go back to 2 strokes but, one wish at a time. Reality is, I just don't think there are enough people that want a blue Arctic Cat. Cat owns the market on high performance four strokes and has all the aftermarket research and go-fast parts to go along with it. I think this is a good reason why Doo and Poo aren't bothering with it. Reality is, I think Yammi is done with sleds. Sad. But, let's face it, they were done messing around in the sled market when they refused to listen to market demand. Partnering with Cat was a last ditch effort to try and renew their brand.....by using another brand?????? The whole thing stunk before the ink dried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Cats new 800 is very dated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Just now, Rod Johnson said: Cats new 800 is very dated regarded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Zambroski said: Hard to say with all this fuckery and shit seasons the last few years. IMO, I'd love to see a seperation between the Yammi and Cat and see Yammy build their own sleds again. I'd love to see them go back to 2 strokes but, one wish at a time. Reality is, I just don't think there are enough people that want a blue Arctic Cat. Cat owns the market on high performance two strokes and has all the aftermarket research and go-fast parts to go along with it. I think this is a good reason why Doo and Poo aren't bothering with it. Reality is, I think Yammi is done with sleds. Sad. But, let's face it, they were done messing around in the sled market when they refused to listen to market demand. Partnering with Cat was a last ditch effort to try and renew their brand.....by using another brand?????? The whole thing stunk before the ink dried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Rod Johnson said: Cats new 800 is very dated Ya...03 tech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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