Medical costs of the Las Vegas shooting

[Angry ginger]

1 minute ago, Highmark said:

I have no clue.   I'm guessing it was adsorbed and passed on just like everyone else who can't pay.  He was a self employed general carpenter that I don't think made a ton of money.   Its possible they got him on Medicaid.  

a great example of why we should have UHC so everyones paying an affordable amount and contributing.  Reality is in any system the "rich" are going to pay more but thats becuase they can afford it.  Right now the poor get  pass because you can't get blood from a stone and the upper middle class and upper class have insurance and can afford the premiums and the deduc.  The ones being fucked by the system today are the middle and lower middle class who have assets they can lose if they have a medical issue but can't afford to be paying 20k year for their medical insurance/deductibles

[Dieselgeek]

8 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Good luck.   The surgery wasn't nearly the scare the blood clot was.   

Lots of MLB players are going thru this.   Some just pinching a nerve other the artery or vein like my son.   Matt Harvey is probably the most prominent.  

Certainly, a clot is nothing to mess with! Mine is NTOS, so I’ve been fighting nerve issues for 25 years, finally had enough! Hope your son is doing well now. 

[Highmark]

8 minutes ago, Angry ginger said:

a great example of why we should have UHC so everyones paying an affordable amount and contributing.  Reality is in any system the "rich" are going to pay more but thats becuase they can afford it.  Right now the poor get  pass because you can't get blood from a stone and the upper middle class and upper class have insurance and can afford the premiums and the deduc.  The ones being fucked by the system today are the middle and lower middle class who have assets they can lose if they have a medical issue but can't afford to be paying 20k year for their medical insurance/deductibles

Another one that thinks all people will pay "something."   Hell a high % of American's don't pay ANY taxes with the EITC you think for a second the left will make them pay any.   Pull this leg and it will play jinglebells.   You would be surprised how much you can make and still qualify for Medicaid.  

Please list where all these amazing savings are going to come.   We spend almost $10K a year per person in this country on HC.    Have you looked at Bernie's plans?   The only way there work is a 50% savings.   Good fucking luck.     

Edited October 25, 2017 by Highmark

[Highmark]

2 minutes ago, Dieselgeek said:

Certainly, a clot is nothing to mess with! Mine is NTOS, so I’ve been fighting nerve issues for 25 years, finally had enough! Hope your son is doing well now. 

He made a full recovery.  The surgery was around the 1st of August last year and he actually played the last 3 games of the football season in October.  

Hope all goes well for you.  

[Snoslinger]

3 hours ago, Highmark said:

Remove HCI regulations.   Allow interstate pools to get larger groups negotiating better deals.  Same groups should be allowed to negotiate drugs.   People have to feel they have some skin in the game.   Obamacare taxed so called Cadillac plans because they said they were too good and people abused them by going to the doctor too much.   I find that hilarious considering what happens under a single payer system that carries no deductible for everyone in the country.  

I'm not opposed to forcing everyone to carry some type of insurance.   What I oppose is the govt controlling/running it or forcing certain types of HCI on people that don't need some types of coverage.   Making people in their 50's pay for maternity care is nuts.  Making homosexual male couples pay for its nuts as well.   The mandatory coverage should be for catastrophic care only and the fine/tax should be equal to the cost of the care.  Not some slap on the wrist that allows them to jump in when they get sick with no other penalty.   Obamacare was a failure because too many people didn't sign up because the plans were too comprehensive and it snowballed into the insurance costing people way to much....even those who needed it most.  

In essence, allow more choice, allow more competition and there should be a benefit to living healthy and a cost to not living healthy, not one size fits all.    

you have to make people pay for coverages they may not use to get the pools "level". that is how insurance works. you mentioned your kids situations....what kind of "pool" do you think there would be for that if those conditions were "optional". how many people would check those off their list, to make their payments lower, because they think it'll never happen to them? where do you draw the line with this nonsense?

 

[Snoslinger]

43 minutes ago, Dieselgeek said:

 

I’m in the hospital in Boston currently after having my rib removed for Thoracic Outlet Syndrome. Had the right side removed last year. 

damn. good luck. I have never even heard of it and here we have 2 cases.

[Highmark]

1 minute ago, Snoslinger said:

you have to make people pay for coverages they may not use to get the pools "level". that is how insurance works. you mentioned your kids situations....what kind of "pool" do you think there would be for that if those conditions were "optional". how many people would check those off their list, to make their payments lower, because they think it'll never happen to them? where do you draw the line with this nonsense?

 

Those are illness' not medical cost someone chooses because they want to have a family.

So with Obamacare forcing expanded coverage on everyone that didn't have insurance as well as those that did how come the rates are so astronomically high?  

[Highmark]

1 minute ago, Snoslinger said:

damn. good luck. I have never even heard of it and here we have 2 cases.

Diagnosis is becoming more common.   Amazing they can usually fix it by cutting out the first rib.  Both my kids are missing ribs now.  The older boy who had the tumor removed they had to cut through 2 or 3 ribs to get to it.   Couple of them grew partially back.   That was a new one for me I never knew ribs can grow back if they aren't cut far enough off.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoracic_outlet_syndrome

[Snoslinger]

5 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Those are illness' not medical cost someone chooses because they want to have a family.

So with Obamacare forcing expanded coverage on everyone that didn't have insurance as well as those that did how come the rates are so astronomically high?  

several reasons - insurance companies are too fat and "hide" profits with exuberant salaries, perks, buildings, bennies, etc. I also don't feel enough was done to penalize non-participants who could afford the coverage. I also believe insurance companies are jeopardizing things so they can help kill Obamacare, so they can get back to the real cash. if we eliminated this very expensive middle man, put some controls in place, force things like bulk purchases, I believe things would be much better and the docs and specialists could still make good coin.

 

[Snoslinger]

8 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Diagnosis is becoming more common.   Amazing they can usually fix it by cutting out the first rib.  Both my kids are missing ribs now.  The older boy who had the tumor removed they had to cut through 2 or 3 ribs to get to it.   Couple of them grew partially back.   That was a new one for me I never knew ribs can grow back if they aren't cut far enough off.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoracic_outlet_syndrome

yep I didn't know that either. wow.

[Highmark]

6 minutes ago, Snoslinger said:

several reasons - insurance companies are too fat and "hide" profits with exuberant salaries, perks, buildings, bennies, etc. I also don't feel enough was done to penalize non-participants who could afford the coverage. I also believe insurance companies are jeopardizing things so they can help kill Obamacare, so they can get back to the real cash. if we eliminated this very expensive middle man, put some controls in place, force things like bulk purchases, I believe things would be much better and the docs and specialists could still make good coin.

 

The financials of the administration costs of Medicare show differently.   Problem with Medicare/Medicaid is little or poor enforcement of fraud and it still is more expensive than private insurance to run.  I've posted the Forbes article showing this a number of times when apples to apples comparison in costs are done.  The US has a lot going for it that makes single payer tough.   Old and fairly unhealthy population being the major components.   Cost per patient of Medicaid is also a poor comparison because so many on it are typically younger which often means healthier.  

Edited October 25, 2017 by Highmark

[SnowRider]

49 minutes ago, Highmark said:

I have no clue.   I'm guessing it was adsorbed and passed on just like everyone else who can't pay.  He was a self employed general carpenter that I don't think made a ton of money.   Its possible they got him on Medicaid.  His sister (my aunt) worked in a hospital and was doing all the financial work.  Only think I know is that the guy didn't have any insurance.

 

46 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Well unless his sister pulled some other magic strings I'm telling you what happened.   The family was starting to try and raise money thru fundraisers and what not but nothing could touch these size bills and he was very well taken care of.  

So more audacity on your part......the public paid for his care.....you know the very mechanism and approach you oppose.  You really are clueless and use your own personal example to stick your foot in your mouth.  

Edited October 25, 2017 by SnowRider

[Highmark]

Just now, SnowRider said:

 

So more audacity on your part......the public paid for his care.....you know the very mechanism and approach you oppose.  Younresllynare clueless and use your own personal example to stick your foot in your mouth.  

I never said how my uncle was covered was fair to the taxpayer I'm just saying it happened.   I think this theory that nobody gets any care if they don't have insurance is a bit exaggerated.   That's my point.  

[Jimmy Snacks]

I still can't believe that he wasn't responsible for any of the costs.

[SnowRider]

Just now, Highmark said:

I never said how my uncle was covered was fair to the taxpayer I'm just saying it happened.   I think this theory that nobody gets any care if they don't have insurance is a bit exaggerated.   That's my point.  

Yo - the point is it costs more because of ER and lack of prevention and early diagnosis. 

[Jimmy Snacks]

1 minute ago, Highmark said:

I never said how my uncle was covered was fair to the taxpayer I'm just saying it happened.   I think this theory that nobody gets any care if they don't have insurance is a bit exaggerated.   That's my point.  

People may or may not get Care and most end up on the hook finanacially...also the fact that your aunt works in the hospital I'm sure palyed a role. This scenario is not the norm.

[Highmark]

8 minutes ago, Biggie Smails said:

People may or may not get Care and most end up on the hook finanacially...also the fact that your aunt works in the hospital I'm sure palyed a role. This scenario is not the norm.

No doubt.   Sometime I'm around my relatives I'll ask more.   It was quite a few years ago.  

[Dieselgeek]

1 hour ago, Snoslinger said:

damn. good luck. I have never even heard of it and here we have 2 cases.

Mine is mostly genetic, Mom also had a rib removed in 1986. Took me decades to be diagnosed though! It is becoming more common, yet a bit barbaric to have a rib taken out, but it makes a hell of a difference!

[Dieselgeek]

1 hour ago, Highmark said:

Diagnosis is becoming more common.   Amazing they can usually fix it by cutting out the first rib.  Both my kids are missing ribs now.  The older boy who had the tumor removed they had to cut through 2 or 3 ribs to get to it.   Couple of them grew partially back.   That was a new one for me I never knew ribs can grow back if they aren't cut far enough off.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoracic_outlet_syndrome

Do either you or Wife/Mom have TOS issues? Seems there is a genetic component that isn’t fully known yet. I have read books on TOS as it has consumed/wrecked my life for years now. 

[teamgreen02]

Should we have single payer disability insurance to fix this? 

A person is something like 10 times more likely to use disability insurance than life insurance.  If you don't have either, buy them.

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Fowler's GoFundMe page has raised about $39,000. Fowler said he doesn't have disability insurance so he will rely on the funds to help cover his expenses while he is recovering and missing work.

 

[Snoslinger]

57 minutes ago, Dieselgeek said:

Mine is mostly genetic, Mom also had a rib removed in 1986. Took me decades to be diagnosed though! It is becoming more common, yet a bit barbaric to have a rib taken out, but it makes a hell of a difference!

what symptoms did you have all that time?

[Dieselgeek]

53 minutes ago, Snoslinger said:

what symptoms did you have all that time?

Daily Headaches/migraines starting at age 10. Then bicep pain doing certain activities, then eye/ear issues, arm pain/numbness, tingling, shooting nerve pain, hand weakness/atrophy. Other issues as well. Surgery took 5 hours to remove scar tissue/rib. Yet there are Dr’s who will tell you it’s in your head. TOS that presents with clots is easier to treat, you can see the issue with testing. Nerves are much harder to diagnose!

[Jimmy Snacks]

1 minute ago, Dieselgeek said:

Daily Headaches/migraines starting at age 10. Then bicep pain doing certain activities, then eye/ear issues, arm pain/numbness, tingling, shooting nerve pain, hand weakness/atrophy. Other issues as well. Surgery took 5 hours to remove scar tissue/rib. Yet there are Dr’s who will tell you it’s in your head. TOS that presents with clots is easier to treat, you can see the issue with testing. Nerves are much harder to diagnose!

Wow....that is awful.

[Sal Rosenberg]

3 hours ago, Snoslinger said:

several reasons - insurance companies are too fat and "hide" profits with exuberant salaries, perks, buildings, bennies, etc. I also don't feel enough was done to penalize non-participants who could afford the coverage. I also believe insurance companies are jeopardizing things so they can help kill Obamacare, so they can get back to the real cash. if we eliminated this very expensive middle man, put some controls in place, force things like bulk purchases, I believe things would be much better and the docs and specialists could still make good coin.

 

 

And the medical profession is even worse...... by a long shot .   Just take a ride around your town , I'm positive that it is just like it is here , Taj Mahal additions on every Hospital in town , no expense spared on anything , Rite Aid , CVS , Walgreens ect on every corner , again , no expense spared on the building or location .   You tell me where the money is going and who's getting filthy rich off of this whole scam called Healthcare .      It's the biggest money making machine since the cellphone and internet and most likely makes a handful of people more than those two gross .   

Obamacare , Trumpcare , whatever , none of that shit is the answer and it's only going to get worse until we grab our balls and tell the machine to fuck off and die , we do that by introducing UHC with STRICT cost and fraud controls .   

 

[Snoslinger]

3 minutes ago, Sal Rosenberg said:

 

And the medical profession is even worse...... by a long shot .   Just take a ride around your town , I'm positive that it is just like it is here , Taj Mahal additions on every Hospital in town , no expense spared on anything , Rite Aid , CVS , Walgreens ect on every corner , again , no expense spared on the building or location .   You tell me where the money is going and who's getting filthy rich off of this whole scam called Healthcare .      It's the biggest money making machine since the cellphone and internet and most likely makes a handful of people more than those two gross .   

Obamacare , Trumpcare , whatever , none of that shit is the answer and it's only going to get worse until we grab our balls and tell the machine to fuck off and die , we do that by introducing UHC with STRICT cost and fraud controls .   

 

yep. but the books only show 6% profit