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The reason Trump is killing obamacare


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It would be great if he did something meaningful. I am actually in the process of renewing our company benefits right now. This shit sucks hard man and the issues we are dealing with isnt going to be fixed with any "new legislation". If Trump is really going to fix anything he will address medical costs and eliminate insurance companies all together. 

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4 minutes ago, Anler said:

It would be great if he did something meaningful. I am actually in the process of renewing our company benefits right now. This shit sucks hard man and the issues we are dealing with isnt going to be fixed with any "new legislation". If Trump is really going to fix anything he will address medical costs and eliminate insurance companies all together. 

I thought you insisted earlier insurance companys are making a bare minimum profit now a days?  So why eliminate them all together when they're providing a cheap service?  And who would replace them in what they do?  The gubment?

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3 minutes ago, hayward said:

I thought you insisted earlier insurance companys are making a bare minimum profit now a days?  So why eliminate them all together when they're providing a cheap service?  And who would replace them in what they do?  The gubment?

Because the system is dysfunctional. How do you think it should be fixed? 

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We would be better off if there were no insurance companies. Then medical providers would have to practice functional medicine that people could afford. When is the last time the medical industry cured anything? 

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4 minutes ago, Anler said:

We would be better off if there were no insurance companies. Then medical providers would have to practice functional medicine that people could afford. When is the last time the medical industry cured anything? 

might not be a cure, but the medical industry has allowed me to live a life with type 1 diabetes

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2 minutes ago, Anler said:

We would be better off if there were no insurance companies. Then medical providers would have to practice functional medicine that people could afford. When is the last time the medical industry cured anything? 

Now that would be outstanding, but in this day in age, where every big corporate business hires 3 people to do the job of 1, I don't see how the cost is coming down.  New tech comes out, and people want to make $ off of it, and how do you keep them from doing that?  Only way I know would be to outsource from another country where someone wants to provide it cheaper, however then it's a quality risk.

I'd hate to be the one in charge of figuring it out honestly.  I have no good answers.

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2 minutes ago, COPO said:

might not be a cure, but the medical industry has allowed me to live a life with type 1 diabetes

Im not saying there shouldnt be medicine, im saying the system is built on profits and not on effective health care. 

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28 minutes ago, Anler said:

We would be better off if there were no insurance companies. Then medical providers would have to practice functional medicine that people could afford. When is the last time the medical industry cured anything? 

Come on man.   

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21 minutes ago, Anler said:

Im not saying there shouldnt be medicine, im saying the system is built on profits and not on effective health care. 

Can you name me one thing that is better that is not based on profits?

I also find it hilarious that you think if we have single payer "profits" simply go away.  :lol: 

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this is not going to kill the aca. not even close. most companies already anticipated trump’s hand and baked in a price hike. those that didnt will do one of two things, they’ll either appeal to regulators for an increase in premiums or they’ll use an escape clause in the contracts that if government subsidies were ended they could stop insuring. sorry boys. :-) 

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9 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said:

this is not going to kill the aca. not even close. most companies already anticipated trump’s hand and baked in a price hike. those that didnt will do one of two things, they’ll either appeal to regulators for an increase in premiums or they’ll use an escape clause in the contracts that if government subsidies were ended they could stop insuring. sorry boys. :-) 

The subsidies were already ruled unconstitutional.   Trump should have stopped them day ONE but he was willing to let the appeal happen.   That's not going quickly so he is doing what is right and cancelling the subsidies.   One administration cannot simply say we are going to pay private companies subsidies FOREVER without future congressional approval.  You guys should understand that.  

Its the dems party its time for them to step back up and decide what's gonna be served.   Trump gave them an open invitation this morning.  

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1 hour ago, Anler said:

We would be better off if there were no insurance companies. Then medical providers would have to practice functional medicine that people could afford. When is the last time the medical industry cured anything? 

 

56 minutes ago, Anler said:

Im not saying there shouldnt be medicine, im saying the system is built on profits and not on effective health care. 

truth, way too many people making way too much money pushing paper and pills

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1 minute ago, Highmark said:

The subsidies were already ruled unconstitutional.   Trump should have stopped them day ONE but he was willing to let the appeal happen.   That's not going quickly so he is doing what is right and cancelling the subsidies.   One administration cannot simply say we are going to pay private companies subsidies FOREVER without future congressional approval.  You guys should understand that.  

Its the dems party its time for them to step back up and decide what's gonna be served.   Trump gave them an open invitation this morning.  

Chances are states will sue the federal government over the the lost subsidies. Since it has been ruled unconstitutional the suits should be tossed out. In today's world who in the hell knows.  

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5 minutes ago, Highmark said:

The subsidies were already ruled unconstitutional.   Trump should have stopped them day ONE but he was willing to let the appeal happen.   That's not going quickly so he is doing what is right and cancelling the subsidies.   One administration cannot simply say we are going to pay private companies subsidies FOREVER without future congressional approval.  You guys should understand that.  

Its the dems party its time for them to step back up and decide what's gonna be served.   Trump gave them an open invitation this morning.  

the dems will simply set the narrative and republicans will wear this albatross. :)

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Just now, ActionfigureJoe said:

the dems will simply set the narrative and republicans will wear this albatross. :)

Didn't work that way in the election.  

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4 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Didn't work that way in the election.  

What's hilarious is Republicans have taken over 1200 State and Federal seats since Obama was elected. What was the main reason "Repeal of Obamacare" . But hey democrats keep thinking you know what you're talking about. 

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2 minutes ago, jtssrx said:

What's hilarious is Republicans have taken over 1200 State and Federal seats since Obama was elected. What was the main reason "Repeal of Obamacare" . But hey democrats keep thinking you know what you're talking about. 

all that political capital and all that they can get done are executive orders that crumble constitutionally. if it wasn’t so sad and dysfunctional it would be a great larry david episode. 

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