MiSledder Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, motonoggin said: You make a ton of assumptions, guy You side step alot of questions that make your utopian plan look bad You said once everyday will be like chistmas in your version of socialism, i laughed my ass off BTW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 1 minute ago, revkev6 said: moto's idea of ideal society is basically the entire world falling back into small tribes. it's a post apocalyptic movie at best. the thing that amuses me the most is his example of how capitalism evolved from Communes... didn't he basically just shoot himself in the foot?? This is why liberals suck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 1 minute ago, ArcticCrusher said: Sorry dude, but people are not equal, nor should they be compensated as such. So 'all men are created equal' is no longer operational? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 1 minute ago, MiSledder said: You side step alot of questions that make your utopian plan look bad You said once everyday will be like chistmas in your version of socialism, i laughed my ass off BTW Speculation on what society will look like after the revolution is counter-revolutionary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiSledder Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, motonoggin said: So 'all men are created equal' is no longer operational? Theu are, do you not understand the meaning of that saying??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiSledder Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Speculation on what society will look like after the revolution is counter-revolutionary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 13 minutes ago, motonoggin said: no Uh...not getting off that easy. Please unpack this a bit. Let's see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, motonoggin said: So 'all men are created equal' is no longer operational? It's a myth. Plus you're leaving out gender. 3 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Speculation on what society will look like after the revolution is counter-revolutionary. When is this revolution happening? Edited September 20, 2017 by ArcticCrusher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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motonoggin Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 1 minute ago, ArcticCrusher said: It's a myth. Plus you're leaving out gender. When is this revolution happening? It's happening right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: It's a myth. Plus you're leaving out gender. When is this revolution happening? 8 yr olds are taking a knee at peewee football games, trash cans are getting knocked over...............shit is getting real, brah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 6 minutes ago, motonoggin said: So 'all men are created equal' is no longer operational? Created? yes. After that it's up to them. You're saying everyone you see in your daily life is producing similar amount of benefit to society? The guy laying on the bench in the park tweeking on heroin is as deserving as the nurse who spends her days treating sick and hurt people? Do you even remotely think shit through? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 5 minutes ago, motonoggin said: It's happening right now 1 minute ago, Cold War said: 8 yr olds are taking a knee at peewee football games, trash cans are getting knocked over...............shit is getting real, brah. I see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Are there not systems in place now to facilitate this? Edit, Sometimes the "profit" you speak of applies to one's self or family, no? Edited September 20, 2017 by JEFF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 Just now, JEFF said: Created? yes. After that it's up to them. You're saying everyone you see in your daily life is producing similar amount of benefit to society? The guy laying on the bench in the park tweeking on heroin is as deserving as the nurse who spends her days treating sick and hurt people? Do you even remotely think shit through? They all deserve food, shelter, medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 Just now, JEFF said: Are there not systems in place now to facilitate this? These systems just treat the symptoms of capitalism. It's guillotine insurance. The calls for a UBI from capitalists will increase. Attempts to preserve capitalism will ultimately fail, but will serve as a signpost on the way to the end of capitalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, motonoggin said: They all deserve food, shelter, medicine And I ask you. Are those things not available now? WIC? Section 8 housing? Fuel assistance programs? ect... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 Just now, JEFF said: And I ask you. Are those things not available now? WIC? Section 8 housing? Fuel assistance programs? ect... Half measures designed to placate. They will become woefully inadequate as we near end stage capitalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 5 minutes ago, motonoggin said: They all deserve food, shelter, medicine That's not enough is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 So in your world moto, does everyone get a new snowmobile the same year? Do they continue making different models? or would that be "unfair? everyone gets a 600cc every third year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 1 minute ago, JEFF said: So in your world moto, does everyone get a new snowmobile the same year? Do they continue making different models? or would that be "unfair? everyone gets a 600cc every third year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoughnut Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 1 minute ago, JEFF said: So in your world moto, does everyone get a new snowmobile the same year? Do they continue making different models? or would that be "unfair? everyone gets a 600cc every third year? Under capitalism, Emptynoggin has a fossil fueled power boat. Under his socialistic utopia, he'd be lucky if he could paddle a canoe he didn't own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 20, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 20, 2017 22 minutes ago, motonoggin said: So 'all men are created equal' is no longer operational? You do realize that the word "equal" is only used twice in the DoI? It also means they are equal in the sense they all share the same rights in the pursuit of happiness, not others to provide it for them. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 9 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Half measures designed to placate. They will become woefully inadequate as we near end stage capitalism. Who comes up with these terms, and how many bong hits does it take to do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 Just now, snoughnut said: Under capitalism, Emptynoggin has a fossil fueled power boat. Under his socialistic utopia, he'd be lucky if he could paddle a canoe he didn't own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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