jtssrx Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Allow people to buy a plan on the open market, what could be simpler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Never happen cause throwing 23 million off failed why would throwing off 40 million succeed? DUMB MOTHERFUCKING REPUBLICANS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Mainecat said: Never happen cause throwing 23 million off failed why would throwing off 40 million succeed? DUMB MOTHERFUCKING REPUBLICANS Anybody wanting to buy can buy you ignorant fucking senile clown, nobody is being thrown off you STUPID FUCK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, Momorider said: Allow people to buy a plan on the open market, what could be simpler I've heard talk of setting up groups so folks can buy in at a group rate instead of going solo and paying more. Similar to what a big company does to get the rates down. Great idea! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoughnut Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Never happen cause throwing 23 million off failed why would throwing off 40 million succeed? DUMB MOTHERFUCKING REPUBLICANS Don't you have anything better to do besides whine and cry like a crusty old bitch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Edmo said: I've heard talk of setting up groups so folks can buy in at a group rate instead of going solo and paying more. Similar to what a big company does to get the rates down. Great idea! In an unrestricted market there are all kind of possibilities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted July 18, 2017 Author Share Posted July 18, 2017 8 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Never happen cause throwing 23 million off failed why would throwing off 40 million succeed? DUMB MOTHERFUCKING REPUBLICANS they ran on and were elected on full repeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 I only know a handful of folks that had Obamacare, it got so expensive they now have no insurance again. Not sure what the solution might be but it's gotta be a tough one and probably very expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 You idiots would follow Trump off a cliff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 19 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Never happen cause throwing 23 million off failed why would throwing off 40 million succeed? DUMB MOTHERFUCKING REPUBLICANS Nobody is getting kicked off anything. There is a 2 year wind down plan in the bill that gives congress time to come up with a better plan. Stop believing the doom and gloom partisans dummy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEMAN! Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 15 minutes ago, jtssrx said: they ran on and were elected on full repeal. Repeal and replace on day 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 15 minutes ago, jtssrx said: they ran on and were elected on full repeal. Repeal it 13 minutes ago, XCR1250 said: I only know a handful of folks that had Obamacare, it got so expensive they now have no insurance again. Not sure what the solution might be but it's gotta be a tough one and probably very expensive. Quality HC insurance is expensive, in fact it's like speed in that the question is: How much do you want? The answer is as it's always been, how much do you want to spend? And for the dolts who brought up free market insurance, we have free market insurance in this country, all you have to do is pick up a phone and start shopping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 7 minutes ago, Edmo said: Nobody is getting kicked off anything. There is a 2 year wind down plan in the bill that gives congress time to come up with a better plan. Stop believing the doom and gloom partisans dummy. Sure they will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Just now, Mileage Psycho said: Sure they will Oh it will force them to actually legislate in a bipartisan fashion, and I'm all for it. This sides plan, that sides plan isn't working. Get to work!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted July 18, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 18, 2017 24 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Never happen cause throwing 23 million off failed why would throwing off 40 million succeed? DUMB MOTHERFUCKING REPUBLICANS Dem talking points regurgitated. Got to love the use of LOSE when it's not even in the CBO report. http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-cbo-didnt-say-anything-about-24-million-losing-insurance/article/2007208 That's 50,000 users who have participated in the week's biggest question-begging exercise. Nowhere in the Congressional Budget Office's projections about the American Health Care Act did the agency say the bill would cause 24 million to "lose" coverage—cancel it or take it from them. The report, rather, estimated that the total number of individuals insured under the Republican plan would eventually be 24 million fewer than the total insured under Obamacare. Why is that? The Republican legislation would also make several changes to Medicaid, including its funding mechanism and the Affordable Care Act's expansion of the program. "The reductions in insurance coverage between 2018 and 2026 would stem in large part from changes in Medicaid enrollment—because some states would discontinue their expansion of eligibility, some states that would have expanded eligibility in the future would choose not to do so, and per-enrollee spending in the program would be capped," the CBO explains. "In 2026, an estimated 52 million people would be uninsured, compared with 28 million who would lack insurance that year under current law." The difference between 52 million and 28 million is 24 million, thus the number that has been reported in the media and weaponized by Democrats. There are two takeaways from these two batches of yearly numbers. One, an individual does not "lose" insurance, like it was robbed or fell out of a coat pocket, if that person voluntarily chooses to forgo it. Such behavior is more likely when it doesn't carry a fine. Some people might not want to spend their money on coverage; others might be priced out of purchasing it, the basis for many conservative critiques of the proposal that are beyond the scope of this writing. Two, those who are potentialMedicaid enrollees cannot possibly lose Medicaid if they don't have it in the first place. Democrats might say that such individuals are being deprived by the GOP's action. But that's for a separate policy discussion—one in which Republicans have their own ideas for how to provide poor Americans access to affordable health care. (See the passage on Medicaid and the AHCA from Avik Roy's mercilessly headlined analysis.) "Lose" does not have an appropriate synonym to convey what the CBO document projects for future health coverage. The agency's forecast includes people who have varying motivations for being insured, as well as hypothetical consumers. And this stops short of the budget office's difficulty in forecasting insurance ownership: a statistic based on human decision-making and, thus, substantial uncertainty. All this is worth considering when House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi says that the Republican proposal "pushes 24 million people out of health care, off of health coverage," or when Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer says "the CBO of course made clear that 24 million Americans will ... lose their health insurance if 'Trumpcare' becomes the law of the land." The CBO stated no such thing. And as we've learned quickly, little of what it says comes off as "clear." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 5 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said: Repeal it Quality HC insurance is expensive, in fact it's like speed in that the question is: How much do you want? The answer is as it's always been, how much do you want to spend? And for the dolts who brought up free market insurance, we have free market insurance in this country, all you have to do is pick up a phone and start shopping. Wife works at Walmart in Hayward, she has insurance there but it's rather lacking, she just coughed up $3,000 towards her bill and that was merely a few tests and her Doctors customary charges, she stills owes lots more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleroule Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 32 minutes ago, Edmo said: I've heard talk of setting up groups so folks can buy in at a group rate instead of going solo and paying more. Similar to what a big company does to get the rates down. Great idea! welcome to 1980...it's called a hmo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 no one is addressing the real issue. COST of HEALTHCARE. it's the fucking white elephant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 btw, the republicans don't have the votes to repeal it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: no one is addressing the real issue. COST of HEALTHCARE. it's the fucking white elephant. ABSOLUTELY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted July 18, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, ActionfigureJoe said: no one is addressing the real issue. COST of HEALTHCARE. it's the fucking white elephant. No one will because it means rationing and or limiting the pay to doctors, nurses, administrators, lab tech you name it. Around 13 million voters and growing. Who wants to be the party of limiting what doctors and nurses can make and telling grandma she can't get her new hip. Good luck with that in America. The other side will eat you alive with ads alone. Edited July 18, 2017 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleroule Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 1 minute ago, ActionfigureJoe said: btw, the republicans don't have the balls to repeal it. fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Just now, Highmark said: No one will because it means rationing and or limiting the pay to doctors, nurses, administrators, lab tech you name it. Around 13 million voters and growing. it goes far deeper than that. healthcare is an issue that moves into so many areas that it'll make your fucking head spin. namely, the food that's on our shelves in the grocery store. the medication which approved by the FDA (basically owned by private industry) that's not only many times useless, but harmful. we've regulated tobacco and alcohol. how about regulating something that does ten times the damage....the garbage that we call food on the grocery shelves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 .....as for rationing..start regulating what's on the grocery store shelves and the entire idea of rationing goes away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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