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1 minute ago, Mainecat said:

Never happen cause throwing 23 million off failed why would throwing off 40 million succeed?

DUMB MOTHERFUCKING REPUBLICANS

Anybody wanting to buy can buy you ignorant fucking senile clown, nobody is being thrown off you STUPID FUCK :finger2: 

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4 minutes ago, Momorider said:

Allow people to buy a plan on the open market, what could be simpler :dunno:  

I've heard talk of setting up groups so folks can buy in at a group rate instead of going solo and paying more. Similar to what a big company does to get the rates down. Great idea!

 

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3 minutes ago, Mainecat said:

Never happen cause throwing 23 million off failed why would throwing off 40 million succeed?

DUMB MOTHERFUCKING REPUBLICANS

Don't you have anything better to do besides whine and cry like a crusty old bitch?

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1 minute ago, Edmo said:

I've heard talk of setting up groups so folks can buy in at a group rate instead of going solo and paying more. Similar to what a big company does to get the rates down. Great idea!

 

In an unrestricted market there are all kind of possibilities :) 

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8 minutes ago, Mainecat said:

Never happen cause throwing 23 million off failed why would throwing off 40 million succeed?

DUMB MOTHERFUCKING REPUBLICANS

they ran on and were elected on full repeal.

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I only know a handful of folks that had Obamacare, it got so expensive they now have no insurance again. Not sure what the solution might be but it's gotta be a tough one and probably very expensive.

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19 minutes ago, Mainecat said:

Never happen cause throwing 23 million off failed why would throwing off 40 million succeed?

DUMB MOTHERFUCKING REPUBLICANS

Nobody is getting kicked off anything. There is a 2 year wind down plan in the bill that gives congress time to come up with a better plan. Stop believing the doom and gloom partisans dummy.

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15 minutes ago, jtssrx said:

they ran on and were elected on full repeal.

Repeal it :thumb: 

13 minutes ago, XCR1250 said:

I only know a handful of folks that had Obamacare, it got so expensive they now have no insurance again. Not sure what the solution might be but it's gotta be a tough one and probably very expensive.

Quality HC insurance is expensive, in fact it's like speed in that the question is: How much do you want?

The answer is as it's always been, how much do you want to spend?

And for the dolts who brought up free market insurance, we have free market insurance in this country, all you have to do is pick up a phone and start shopping.

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7 minutes ago, Edmo said:

Nobody is getting kicked off anything. There is a 2 year wind down plan in the bill that gives congress time to come up with a better plan. Stop believing the doom and gloom partisans dummy.

Sure they will :lol: 

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Just now, Mileage Psycho said:

Sure they will :lol: 

Oh it will force them to actually legislate in a bipartisan fashion, and I'm all for it. This sides plan, that sides plan isn't working. Get to work!!!

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24 minutes ago, Mainecat said:

Never happen cause throwing 23 million off failed why would throwing off 40 million succeed?

DUMB MOTHERFUCKING REPUBLICANS

:lol:   Dem talking points regurgitated.  Got to love the use of LOSE when it's not even in the CBO report.  

http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-cbo-didnt-say-anything-about-24-million-losing-insurance/article/2007208

That's 50,000 users who have participated in the week's biggest question-begging exercise. Nowhere in the Congressional Budget Office's projections about the American Health Care Act did the agency say the bill would cause 24 million to "lose" coverage—cancel it or take it from them. The report, rather, estimated that the total number of individuals insured under the Republican plan would eventually be 24 million fewer than the total insured under Obamacare. Why is that?

The Republican legislation would also make several changes to Medicaid, including its funding mechanism and the Affordable Care Act's expansion of the program. "The reductions in insurance coverage between 2018 and 2026 would stem in large part from changes in Medicaid enrollment—because some states would discontinue their expansion of eligibility, some states that would have expanded eligibility in the future would choose not to do so, and per-enrollee spending in the program would be capped," the CBO explains. "In 2026, an estimated 52 million people would be uninsured, compared with 28 million who would lack insurance that year under current law."

The difference between 52 million and 28 million is 24 million, thus the number that has been reported in the media and weaponized by Democrats.

There are two takeaways from these two batches of yearly numbers. One, an individual does not "lose" insurance, like it was robbed or fell out of a coat pocket, if that person voluntarily chooses to forgo it. Such behavior is more likely when it doesn't carry a fine. Some people might not want to spend their money on coverage; others might be priced out of purchasing it, the basis for many conservative critiques of the proposal that are beyond the scope of this writing. Two, those who are potentialMedicaid enrollees cannot possibly lose Medicaid if they don't have it in the first place. Democrats might say that such individuals are being deprived by the GOP's action. But that's for a separate policy discussion—one in which Republicans have their own ideas for how to provide poor Americans access to affordable health care. (See the passage on Medicaid and the AHCA from Avik Roy's mercilessly headlined analysis.)

"Lose" does not have an appropriate synonym to convey what the CBO document projects for future health coverage. The agency's forecast includes people who have varying motivations for being insured, as well as hypothetical consumers. And this stops short of the budget office's difficulty in forecasting insurance ownership: a statistic based on human decision-making and, thus, substantial uncertainty.

All this is worth considering when House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi says that the Republican proposal "pushes 24 million people out of health care, off of health coverage," or when Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer says "the CBO of course made clear that 24 million Americans will ... lose their health insurance if 'Trumpcare' becomes the law of the land." The CBO stated no such thing. And as we've learned quickly, little of what it says comes off as "clear."

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5 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said:

Repeal it :thumb: 

Quality HC insurance is expensive, in fact it's like speed in that the question is: How much do you want?

The answer is as it's always been, how much do you want to spend?

And for the dolts who brought up free market insurance, we have free market insurance in this country, all you have to do is pick up a phone and start shopping.

Wife works at Walmart in Hayward, she has insurance there but it's rather lacking, she just coughed up $3,000 towards her bill and that was merely a few tests and her Doctors customary charges, she stills owes lots more.

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32 minutes ago, Edmo said:

I've heard talk of setting up groups so folks can buy in at a group rate instead of going solo and paying more. Similar to what a big company does to get the rates down. Great idea!

 

welcome to 1980...it's called a hmo.

 

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1 minute ago, ActionfigureJoe said:

no one is addressing the real issue. COST of HEALTHCARE. it's the fucking white elephant. 

No one will because it means rationing and or limiting the pay to doctors, nurses, administrators, lab tech you name it.   Around 13 million voters and growing.  Who wants to be the party of limiting what doctors and nurses can make and telling grandma she can't get her new hip.   Good luck with that in America.   The other side will eat you alive with ads alone.  

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Just now, Highmark said:

No one will because it means rationing and or limiting the pay to doctors, nurses, administrators, lab tech you name it.   Around 13 million voters and growing.  

 it goes far deeper than that. healthcare is an issue that moves into so many areas that it'll make your fucking head spin. namely, the food that's on our shelves in the grocery store. the medication which approved by the FDA (basically owned by private industry) that's not only many times useless, but harmful. we've regulated tobacco and alcohol. how about regulating something that does ten times the damage....the garbage that we call food on the grocery shelves. 

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