Zambroski Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 6 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Capitalism hates competition. Nice try. Capitalism, along with almost all other free market economy system, requires volunteerism. I/we/you can go and live off the grid and out of society at anytime and nobody is going to come and take any of us back to capitalism. Enough people can really make a good go of it if they are dedicated to doing so. And probably are too....we just don't hear about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted June 18, 2017 Author Share Posted June 18, 2017 5 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Nice try. Capitalism, along with almost all other free market economy system, requires volunteerism. I/we/you can go and live off the grid and out of society at anytime and nobody is going to come and take any of us back to capitalism. Enough people can really make a good go of it if they are dedicated to doing so. And probably are too....we just don't hear about them. 100% wrong. It has been tried, the CIA always topples their duly elected governments... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Just now, motonoggin said: 100% wrong. It has been tried, the CIA always topples their duly elected governments... Explain one...let's go case by case with what and how this group went wrong when their ideologies started to twist off the handle. Hint: It wasn't their lack of a capitalistic system that got them into "dutch". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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motonoggin Posted June 18, 2017 Author Share Posted June 18, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Explain one...let's go case by case with what and how this group went wrong when their ideologies started to twist off the handle. Hint: It wasn't their lack of a capitalistic system that got them into "dutch". Iran. Mohammed Mossadeg was removed as duly elected prime minister by Western meddling. This was done out of a fear that Arab socialism would take root in the middle East. This, of course, led to the Islamic revolution of 1979... Edited June 18, 2017 by motonoggin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: Iran. Mohammed Mossadeg was removed as duly elected prime minister by Western meddling. This was done out of a fear that Arab socialism would take root in the middle East. This, of course, led to the Islamic revolution of 1979... I'm not going to debate extremely convoluted world regimes from decades ago. That is getting into deep weeds for no reason....and while you may think it makes your argument, it won't. Let's not shift just yet, let's stick to an easier premise where a group of people rejected the capitalism ideals and started their own show.. Local..as on American soil. OR is it that you and your band of merry men want to go fight your "good fight" in another nation? If so, what's stopping you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted June 18, 2017 Author Share Posted June 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, Zambroski said: I'm not going to debate extremely convoluted world regimes from decades ago. That is getting into deep weeds for no reason....and while you may think it makes your argument, it won't. Let's not shift just yet, let's stick to an easier premise where a group of people rejected the capitalism ideals and started their own show.. Local..as on American soil. OR is it that you and your band of merry men want to go fight your "good fight" in another nation? If so, what's stopping you? Translation: "Oh, let's not debate examples of capitalist hegemony from the 20th century, because that proves you right. Let's restrict the discussion to parameters that I define. I will define it in such a way that it favors my argument." I see right through this shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 9 hours ago, Anler said: I think food is a bad example. Nobody is really starving in this country unless you are really stupid. I think the problem with everything is greed. We gotta have this and we gotta have that. And everybody is lead around by the nose with whatever the tv is telling them. There are a lot of dumb mother tickets in this country. Totally incapable of critical thought. And what do they want to cut? Education... think about that... Not that I have any interest in getting involved in this shit show of a thread, but wanting to cut funding to the DOE does not equate to cutting education. Its a top heavy federally over bearing albatross, and needs to be cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 7 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Translation: "Oh, let's not debate examples of capitalist hegemony from the 20th century, because that proves you right. Let's restrict the discussion to parameters that I define. I will define it in such a way that it favors my argument." I see right through this shit. I didn't shift parameters, YOU DID. Should I go back and list our little convo and show you where you started to go off the map? And you "seeing right though this shit" assumes I am playing games rather than trying to debate. If you think I've reached the "game" level, you're already way behind the power curve. So...I guess we are done here then? Here...let's regress to memes. You do better with these anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted June 18, 2017 Author Share Posted June 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, Zambroski said: I didn't shift parameters, YOU DID. Should I go back and list our little convo and show you where you started to go off the map? And you "seeing right though this shit" assumes I am playing games rather than trying to debate. If you think I've reached the "game" level, you're already way behind the power curve. So...I guess we are done here then? Here...let's regress to memes. You do better with these anyway. You want to attack socialism because you can't possibly defend capitalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Zambroski Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Just now, motonoggin said: You want to attack socialism because you can't possibly defend capitalism. I'm not attacking it at all. Not a bit. I don't care. Go do it. Or go live where a society is closer to that flavor if you like. But it's not what the vast majority want. Why do these "crusades" of liberalism, religion, socialism, etc. always seem to be infringing on what others aren't interested in under the guise of a "betterment for all" type of horseshit propaganda? Especially when the simple fact is...none have EVER worked out in the modern world without an iron fist controlling the actions of the very people they are convincing that their lives are better for it. Irony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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motonoggin Posted June 18, 2017 Author Share Posted June 18, 2017 Just now, Zambroski said: I'm not attacking it at all. Not a bit. I don't care. Go do it. Or go live where a society is closer to that flavor if you like. But it's not what the vast majority want. Why do these "crusades" of liberalism, religion, socialism, etc. always seem to be infringing on what others aren't interested in under the guise of a "betterment for all" type of horseshit propaganda? Especially when the simple fact is...none have EVER worked out in the modern world without an iron fist controlling the actions of the very people they are convincing that their lives are better for it. Irony. The 'dont like it? Leave!' line is so threadbare, simplistic, overwrought, and underthought. Typical of double digit IQs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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motonoggin Posted June 18, 2017 Author Share Posted June 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Zambroski said: Lol! That peasant is stabbing the Lord with his own pitchfork! The irony is too much, therefore the peasant is not justified in his actions and is a huge hypocrite! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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