motonoggin Posted June 17, 2017 Author Share Posted June 17, 2017 Just now, Snake said: Tankies aren't commies. They're tankies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: I think you're misunderstanding the question. no pretty clear Is the threat of starvation required for human progress? No one will take a job that pays less than guillotine insurance. Can you blame them? so no hunger no progress pretty cut and dry I would say do you think if the checks stopped they would just sit in the yard and starve to death ? or do you thek they may just plant a garden and go hunting ? or I know get a job to barter for food ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 (edited) so fast to get off the bait Is the threat of starvation required for human progress? YES the biggest daily motivator in the history of man Edited June 17, 2017 by Ez ryder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted June 17, 2017 Author Share Posted June 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Ez ryder said: no pretty clear Is the threat of starvation required for human progress? No one will take a job that pays less than guillotine insurance. Can you blame them? so no hunger no progress pretty cut and dry I would say do you think if the checks stopped they would just sit in the yard and starve to death ? or do you thek they may just plant a garden and go hunting ? or I know get a job to barter for food ? Do you think that maybe people can be motivated by other things besides hunger? IE - self improvement, mastery of a subject, cooperation with others? And that these other motivating factors would lead to better conditions for all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted June 17, 2017 Author Share Posted June 17, 2017 My point is that 'work or starve' is useful in survival situations, but actually counterproductive in a post scarcity world. We need a higher calling than an empty stomach to truly progress as a species. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted June 17, 2017 Author Share Posted June 17, 2017 10 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Great video on the subject. This is worth the 10min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted June 17, 2017 Author Share Posted June 17, 2017 Open source software is a perfect example of how humanity can be motivated by something other than basic survival needs or currency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, motonoggin said: My point is that 'work or starve' is useful in survival situations, but actually counterproductive in a post scarcity world. We need a higher calling than an empty stomach to truly progress as a species. 3 minutes ago, motonoggin said: This is worth the 10min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted June 17, 2017 Author Share Posted June 17, 2017 Social Darwinism is so 19th century... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 36 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Do you think that maybe people can be motivated by other things besides hunger? IE - self improvement, mastery of a subject, cooperation with others? And that these other motivating factors would lead to better conditions for all? no it has been proven over and over and over and over that there are many willing to suck of the work and progress of others . if some can find a way to eat off the sweat of others they will . if that option is not there they will get out and find there way around a garden or die. ether way society is better off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 12 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Social Darwinism is so 19th century... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 Well, welcome back to the shit show Moto! I would ask you to define "threat", "starvation" and "progress" but I don't feel like it right now. So, just voted YES. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted June 17, 2017 Author Share Posted June 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Ez ryder said: no it has been proven over and over and over and over that there are many willing to suck of the work and progress of others . if some can find a way to eat off the sweat of others they will . if that option is not there they will get out and find there way around a garden or die. ether way society is better off This laziness is an intended side effect of the antiprogress agenda of capitalism. Post scarcity capitalism needs those who still buy into the phony scarcity needed to maintain capitalism. Once we understand that we produce enough to meet everyone's needs, the basic premise of capitalism - artificial scarcity - evaporates. The capitalist drive to eliminate human labor inputs from the production process will eventually lead to an even larger welfare state than we currently have now. That's why you're seeing capitalists talking about a universal basic income. They see it coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted June 17, 2017 Author Share Posted June 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Snake said: "I don't care but instead of just ignoring g this thread, I'm going to post a whole bunch of shit saying I don't care." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: "I don't care but instead of just ignoring g this thread, I'm going to post a whole bunch of shit saying NO ONE CARES" You're a freak show. I know it. You know it. Everyone knows it. What next? Flat earth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, motonoggin said: This laziness is an intended side effect of the antiprogress agenda of capitalism. Post scarcity capitalism needs those who still buy into the phony scarcity needed to maintain capitalism. Once we understand that we produce enough to meet everyone's needs, the basic premise of capitalism - artificial scarcity - evaporates. The capitalist drive to eliminate human labor inputs from the production process will eventually lead to an even larger welfare state than we currently have now. That's why you're seeing capitalists talking about a universal basic income. They see it coming. bull shit . look back at how the pilgrims set up the original society when they got to America . then look how long that lasted and why it failed . pretty much puts a kink in you argument Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted June 17, 2017 Author Share Posted June 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, Snake said: You're a freak show. I know it. You know it. Everyone knows it. What next? Flat earth? Really don't give a fuck what you think. 2 minutes ago, Ez ryder said: bull shit . look back at how the pilgrims set up the original society when they got to America . then look how long that lasted and why it failed . pretty much puts a kink in you argument The pilgrims would have starved to death if it weren't for help from the natives. I don't see how this applies at all to the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Really don't give a fuck what you think. The pilgrims would have starved to death if it weren't for help from the natives. I don't see how this applies at all to the subject. Pose a stupid question on another site, get riddled top to bottom. Go to other site, pose question, expect different result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Really don't give a fuck what you think. The pilgrims would have starved to death if it weren't for help from the natives. I don't see how this applies at all to the subject. look it up . your history books in public school did not give you the whole story and I can guarantee your pro socialist sites will not talk about how the original society the pilgrims put in place was set up Edited June 17, 2017 by Ez ryder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted June 17, 2017 Author Share Posted June 17, 2017 How many posts are you going to make on a thread and subject you say you don't give a fuck about MoeMoe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted June 17, 2017 Author Share Posted June 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Ez ryder said: loo it up . your history books in public school did not give you the whole story and I can guarantee your pro socialist sites will not talk about how the original society the pilgrims put in place was set up Pilgrims were the OG commies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 Just now, motonoggin said: Pilgrims were the OG commies? look in to the facts of the original society they set up your self . the info is out there on how they did it why it failed and then what changed and then you know the rest because that is what public school history books taught you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted June 17, 2017 Author Share Posted June 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Ez ryder said: look in to the facts of the original society they set up your self . the info is out there on how they did it why it failed and then what changed and then you know the rest because that is what public school history books taught you Why don't you save me some time and explain what you mean instead of saying 'look it up' and punching out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: Why don't you save me some time and explain what you mean instead of saying 'look it up' and punching out? because it is to involved and I really don't care if you know about actual history or not. but you are the one talking about evolving and human enrichment so go evolve and enrich your brain . or not could give 2 fucks . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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